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#3263304 - 01/28/14 11:22 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: Rand]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1020
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Rand
Edyvw:
base oil does not equal performance.

Its been known for quite awhile that while PAO is superior in some aspects they are poor in others Which is where additive packages come in.

you need a properly engineered product, base oil is ok but I'd rather see approvals than "base" everything on the base oil.

What if the additives they use to make the pao oil work leave more deposits in turbos than the other companies GIII+ base product that needs less additives and produces less deposits.

example the HTO-06 spec.

Just going off half-baked and opinionated makes me






Agree, but we are talking about oils that meet same specs!
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#3263313 - 01/28/14 11:35 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
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Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I do not have emotional attachment,

You're in denial. Unless you can bring hard data showing clear performance benefits of one MB 229.5 oil over another, we're just going to be spinning in circles here.

So you noticed rough cold start with M1, but that's just a sample of one. We can hardly acknowledge it as generally accepted proof that GC is better. There are plenty others who have not noticed such behavior with M1. It's obviously of concern to you personally, but let's try to stay objective here if we can.


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And I know what kind of base oil they use. At least they are that transparent.

Dude, lay off the whole base oil mantra already. A base oil alone does not a good oil make. smile

Of course base oil is not the whole story.
If I was stuck on that, I would not have M1 in the engine now. I do prefer to have PAO or Ester based oil, but hey, I run M1 now, which means I trust that it will perform as specified.
Now, we are talking about small details. 99.99% of the people would never think about these stuff. Is it 8.7% NOACK or 9.1% NOACK, or how much PAO is in, or POE?
However, that it is that is any better then rest, hardly.
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#3263314 - 01/28/14 11:37 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: Clevy]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1020
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Clevy
As we bitogers all figure out at some point one single component of an oil doesn't mean squat,it's the finished formulation that's important. It's just that simple.
Eddy
I'm with you man. I hate Mobil with a passion however the fact still remains they formulate quality products,and can hang with product that cost twice as much which is tough to ignore. And I'm all about dollars and keeping more of them in my pocket and if that means this week M1 is on special then that means I'm buying it,whether I hate them or not. The product performs as it should therefore its a good value. Only a fool pays more than they have to no matter what perceived advantage when the truth is there isn't one,because they all meet the required spec.
And pao isn't all that great anyways. The additive package doesn't dissolve in it all that great which means more elements need to be added to achieve the required performance and pao isn't polar which means no magnetic attraction to help keep an oil film on metal at start up.
Sure pao has some advantages however today's group 3 hydrocracked and gtl base oils have better additive solubility which means less are required,which means less costly to make,they are polar and the list goes on.
I used to feel exactly as you do eddy until I learned that lubricants are evolving for the better everyday and a formulator can use a variety of different methods to achieve an end result,as long as that end result meets the required spec then its as good as it has to be to provide the protection the oem demands,which is why they created the spec for their particular engines.
Pao,poe,DI-ester,doesn't matter if the additive package isn't balanced properly then problems will arise.
An engine oil is a balancing act,and a series of compromises in order to achieve a desired quality. How its achieved is irrelevant.
And M1 0w-40 in its present state has shown beautifully in every used oil analysis I've seen and that includes track days and extended miles. It meets the long life requirement of all the euro Marques and does it at a reasonable cost.
The truth of the matter is Mobil has better tech, period. They can formulate a world class oil for less than anyone else because they have technology that others don't have,and they pass that savings on to the consumer,in America anyways.
Sounds like a win for the little guy to be honest.......ME,and my wallet.

I take different approach.
I am not going to bankrupt bcs of few bucks. I smoke cigars, can get then cheaper online, but buy them at local guy more expensive, heck, he needs to make money too.
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#3266319 - 01/31/14 09:13 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: FD777]
Jeffs2006EvoIX Offline


Registered: 02/28/10
Posts: 1287
Loc: Imperial Valley, California
It's not just about the money though EDYVW it's that you can get an oil that meets the same (or more) specs for less money. Sure GC can be found on sale but others like M1 everyday price is cheaper (5 qt bottle).

I do feel though for certain applications the NOACK rating is a big deal when in use with a DI engine. In this case PU 5w40 beats both GC and M1 but finding the stuff?

If you go out of spec oil RL NOACK is 6% and M1 ESP 5w30 is 5.8%. M1 meeting spec.

GC I have never used and fear it just may not be what it was back in its hay day. What I do like is that you and I share cars with the same motor and you feel GC is the better oil for our VAG cars.

That is why I may try it. Weather it's from Germany or Belgium I'm sure the formula is the same.

Jeff
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#3274119 - 02/07/14 07:33 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: Jeffs2006EvoIX]
MichaelDCRogers Offline


Registered: 01/26/14
Posts: 22
Loc: Ohio
Do you know of European auto-shops in Columbus that stock 0w30...So that I don't have to go through the trouble of going to the trouble of buying some.

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#3274659 - 02/08/14 09:56 AM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: MichaelDCRogers]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
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Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: MichaelDCRogers
Do you know of European auto-shops in Columbus that stock 0w30...So that I don't have to go through the trouble of going to the trouble of buying some.

AutoZone.
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#3274881 - 02/08/14 01:45 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: edyvw]
MichaelDCRogers Offline


Registered: 01/26/14
Posts: 22
Loc: Ohio
What I meant were European Auto-service shops in Columbus that keep 0w30 to change your oil...

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#3290879 - 02/22/14 05:38 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: FD777]
Aircooled_Guy Offline


Registered: 03/06/12
Posts: 1
Loc: CA
Just found that the AutoZone outlets here in my area seem to be quietly deleting the German (and Belgian) 0W-30 from their shelves. Listed on their website still, but for full $8.99 a quart. Going to miss the in-store specials. Back to Amazon.

I happily use this product in my VW turbo-4s (a 1.8T and a Mk6 GTI). In a moment of impaired impulse control, I've even used it in a '65 Chevy Corvair (less than 20K miles from new, prior meticulous maintenance with detergent oils). Corvair engine pretty much unmolested, notorious O-ring seals never replaced. Oil leaks are minimal with the GC (remarkable for those things). Occasional lifter clatter on cold start has been banished with GC. Seems about the ideal viscosity range for the engine. Admittedly, this is a personal anecdote… not necessarily an informed recommendation. But I have successfully used synthetics (Mobil 1, Delvac 1, more recently Redline) in a number of rare '50s and early '60s cars since the early eighties.

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#3369779 - 05/12/14 08:01 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: FD777]
zmelli Offline


Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 149
Loc: SOCAL
I went out ths weekend to get my Castrol Fix and stumbled across edge 0W-30 with a green label Made in Belgium? The 0w-40 was Made in Germany. Did Castrol stop blending the 0w-30 in Germany?

I can hear it now (I still have my stash of the old red label GC!)
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#3369810 - 05/12/14 08:36 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: zmelli]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25535
Loc: Illinoistan
Originally Posted By: zmelli
Did Castrol stop blending the 0w-30 in Germany?

Yes.
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#3373293 - 05/16/14 01:12 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: FD777]
benjy Offline


Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 142
Loc: pa
i am with others + consider castrol-BP a lo-life operation. guessing the $6 qt is a fake group synthetic or partly being its in usa

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#3395341 - 06/12/14 06:23 AM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: FD777]
krzyss Offline


Registered: 02/18/12
Posts: 111
Loc: MA, USA
So what is the difference between Belgian made Castrol 0W30 and German made Castrol 0W40 except obvious weigth difference.
They seem to meet the same specs on the back of the bottle.

Krzys

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#3395350 - 06/12/14 06:44 AM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: FD777]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25535
Loc: Illinoistan
There doesn't seem to be much difference. We've been saying for a while now that Castrol should just kill off the 0w-30 as it is redundant.
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#3395796 - 06/12/14 03:16 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: FD777]
glxpassat Offline


Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 1063
Loc: Huntsville, AL
I can't figure out why they have the 5w-40 as well...

The 0w30 has titanium and a very low pour point of -60c whereas the 0w40 is Porsche approved. I'm hoping the titanium will make it as smooth as the old green gc.

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#3395832 - 06/12/14 04:04 PM Re: FAQ - GC ( German Castrol ) [Re: glxpassat]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25535
Loc: Illinoistan
Originally Posted By: glxpassat
The 0w30 has titanium

Source of this info?
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