M1 10W-30 Extended Protection

[millerl]

It's FINALLY here!

Blackstone says the new M1 10W-30 contains:

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Iron 1

Tin 2

Moly 76

Potasium 1

Boron 232

Silicon 4

Sodium 5

Calcium 3281

Magnesium 13

Phosph. 791

Zinc 958



SUS Visc. 62.3

Flash 435

TBN 13.0

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Have at it fellas! 5 quarts plus a Wix filter went into the Jeep over the weekend.

 

[steeltoe]

Mighty high TBN, looks to be a great oil.

 

[rg144]

Well the future is now (Boron and Calcium emphasized).

But will Jiffy Lube change to a 'Every 5000' motto?

 

[JohnBrowning]

Is this their 5000 mile blend?

 

[T-Keith]

Not old SL oil after all.

The new Mobil 5000 and 7500 will be interesting also. Thanks for running this, they had a some at my local wal-mart today for $5.36 a quart.

-T

 

[Tones]

Thanks for the contribution millerl. I was hoping with all the hype about using the regular Mobil 1 for fuel economy that the viscocity would be a little higher. It looks about the same as the regular Mobil 1. That Boron sure is nice though.

Any first impressions?

 

[buster]

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Well the future is now (Boron and Calcium emphasized).

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True.

Very nice. Thanks millerl. I'm glad they made a 10w-40 also. Would be surprised if ZDDP is actually higher. BLK stone labs tends to report this number lower then other labs for some reason. I was told today that the percentage increases they are stating are compared to the GF-3 Mobil 1. Strong TBN.

[ February 02, 2005, 10:54 PM: Message edited by: buster ]

 

[Bobert]

Viscosity is 11cSt@100C which pretty thick for a M1 30wt. The spec sheet indicates 10.1cSt@100C so could be lab error.

 

[Last_Z]

Looks EXACTLY (additive wise) like old SL except Boron. Could the TBN be coming from esters?

 

[buster]

Here is a VOA from 2003.

Molybdenum 67
Boron 198
Calcium 2900

 

[jsharp]

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Originally posted by buster:
Here is a VOA from 2003.

Molybdenum 67
Boron 198
Calcium 2900

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Where'd you find that Buster? I did a search and couldn't find the 10W-30...

 

[buster]

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000152#000000

I'm not sure if it's that different fromt the older M1, but the Boron is definitely higher.

 

[haley10]

My uoa from 03/2004 showed 119 on Boron (10-30 SS SL). The new boron may be borate esters?

I think there are different quality additives that will show as boron.

 

[buster]

Looks like boron has been increased by about 45% and Calcium about 37%. For $5 something a qt at Walmart, pretty tough to pass up on it IMO.

 

[MolaKule]

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Looks EXACTLY (additive wise) like old SL except Boron. Could the TBN be coming from esters?

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The majority of the tbn is coming from the calcium. It's the new Calcium carbonate/calcium hydroxide stuff from .....!

Esters have tbn's of about 1; i.e., they are pretty much neutral.

 

[427Z06]

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000255
Product date was 11/22/04 from buster.
GF-4 Mobil 1 5w30

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Molybdenum 55

Boron 150

Calcium 2500

Magnesium 7

Phosphorus 677

Zinc 749

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http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000152
From October 23, 2003 VOA Mobil 1 5w-30

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Molybdenum 78

Boron 198

Calcium 2971

Magnesium 12

Phosphorus 849

Zinc 955

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This Mobil EP 1 10w-30

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Moly 76

Boron 232

Calcium 3281

Magnesium 13

Phosphorus 791

Zinc 958

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So what are we seeing here. Did they change add packs on both and adjusted the levels accordingly?

[ February 03, 2005, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: 427Z06 ]

 

[buster]

Hard to say. These Lab Variations make it hard to tell. I'm thinking it's a % increase of somewhere in the middle of the GF-3 or GF-4. Nice balance of additives though regardless.

 

[Last_Z]

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Originally posted by buster:
For $5 something a qt at Walmart, pretty tough to pass up on it IMO.

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I was quoted $6.98 at AZ for this oil.

 

[SilverGGA]

Hopefully the EP line will be priced at $4.99 when they are on sale every now and then at Kragens/Checkers etc...

 

[jsharp]

It sure would be nice if the EP oils were roughly the same price as the old SL/GF-3 M1, and the SM/GF-4 oil was in the $3.50 range. If the new oil is much more it might be a good idea to stock up on the SL version. The SM/GF-4 doesn't look like $5 a quart oil to me...