New GF-4s so far

[Motorbike]

I would like to see another VOA of the Havoline oil in the future because of the seemingly high magnesium and boron .

I'd really like to see what the Pennzoil 5w-30 from a fresh bottle looks like these days too and same for the Citgo and Motorcraft 5w-30

Havoline 5w-30

Boron 165
Moly 80
Magnesium 55
Calcium 2200
Phos 770
Zinc 980
Vis @ 100c 10.8
FP 435F

Mystik 5w-30

Moly 303
Boron 48
Magnesium 4
Calcium 1387
Phos 594
Zinc 698
Si 1
Vi @ 100c 10.6

Phillips 5w-30

Moly 31
Magnesium 6
Calcium 1521
Phos 586
Zinc 666
Vi @ 100c 10.6

Mobil Supersyn 5w-30

Moly 55
Boron 150
Silicon 4
Sodium 5
Calcium 2500
Magnesium 7
Phosphorus 677
Zinc 749
Vi @ 100c 10.4
Flashpoint 415

 

[buster]

I think all the above are great oils. Additive packages are so similar. Makes you wonder if they are all buying the same additive package. ?? Mobil 1 would have the advantage due to it's base oil. Other then that, I think a well formulated oil of any group can produce as low wear as an oil with a higher group baseoil. We've seen that over and over again. Many think switching to synthetic will give them superior wear over a 5k mile drain. Not true at all. That Delvac 15w-40 Grp II is well formulated as is Schaeffers and wear is very low. It's the total package.

 

[lobo11]

Which of these GF-4 oils would you run and why? All are from this board from different labs, but still. All are 5w-30 if space blank, value not given. I guess the old argument over additives or base oil may be decided as UOA's start coming in comparing GF-3 to GF-4.

OIL - M-1 - T-Artic -Hav- Mystik -M-DC

B- 150- 0- 165- 48- 0
Mo- 55- 31- 80- 303- 20
Mg- 7- 6- 55- 4- 0
Ca- 2500- 1521- 2200- 1387- 2130
P- 677- 586- 770- 594- 790
Zn- 749- 666- 980- 698- 940

[ January 05, 2005, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: joee12 ]

 

[lobo11]

Boy that posted in a much better format on my preview screen before posting. Sorry!

 

[lobo11]

Forget it, I can't get the columns to correspond. If you look at the five I see on the VOA board--M-1, Trop Artic, Havoline, Mystik, and Mobil Drive Clean--same question.

Sorry again for the umbled mess, it looked so beautiful before poting, I guess I should use the preview post next time.

 

[JeepZJ4.0]

That Mystik looks good.

 

[MolaKule]

give me an oil with moderate Mo, and plenty of Calcium and Boron. The Havoline does look pretty good.

[ January 27, 2005, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]

 

[lobo11]

I thought the Havoline looked awful strong as well, but I have about 5 oil changes to go on my stock of SL GF-3 oil. I hope by that time there will be quite a few UOA's of the new stuff to look at and make a choice.

 

[buster]

quote:

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give me an oil with moderate Mo, and plenty of Calcium and Boron. The Havoline does look pretty good

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Molekule, as a chemist, what would be an ideal amount of Moly and do you think RL would be better off increasing the Boron amounts and lowering the Moly a little bit?