NEO Synth 10W-30 VOA

[Jason8691]

I dont think anyone has done a VOA on a NEO oil yet, so here ya go! This is NEO's 10W30, their site states that it is a 100% diester based oil, and here are their stats for it:
VI= 185
Viscosity @ 100 deg C= 11.75
TBN= 8
ASH= 1.03
Flash= 470 deg
Pour= -49

Here is Blackstones report:
We don't know what type of oil this is, but it certainly uses a lot of lead as an additive. We
are glad you sent this in, so when we see a sample from your engine we can attribute the high lead we will find to your oil, and not your bearings. Silicon read high in this oil too, so make a note of that as well when you send in an engine oil sample. The TBN of this oil read 15.8. No moisture or insolubles were present in the sample.

ALUMINUM- 1
CHROMIUM- 0
IRON- 2
COPPER- 0
LEAD- 170
TIN- 0
MOLYBDENUM- 0
NICKEL- 0
MANGANESE- 0
SILVER- 0
TITANIUM- 0
POTASSIUM- 0
BORON- 59
SILICON- 12
SODIUM- 2
CALCIUM- 3563
MAGNESIUM- 422
PHOSPHORUS- 1704
ZINC- 1916
BARIUM- 0

SUS Viscosity @ 210 = 60.2
Flash = 390
TBN = 15.8

So, is this oil worth $10 a quart? Im new to this site, so I have no idea what all of this means yet, so if the experts here could translate I would appreciate it.

 

[sbc350gearhead]

Well, that oil sure ain't API approved.

I wonder what all the lead is for?

 

[buster]

More ZDDP then Redline!

TBN of 15.8? Not familiar with this brand.

 

[MolaKule]

The lead has to be either Lead Dialkyldithiocarbamate (PbDTC) or lead oleate. These are EP and oxidation inhibiting additives.

The sulfur reading would most likely be around 0.55% or higher for this additive to function properly.

This stuff is usually used in heavy industrial oils and greases. Never saw this stuff in a modern PCMO until now.

Primary AW add is ZDDP.

Good dose of calcium as a secondary AW additive, DD, and high TBN maker.

Primary friction modifier is diester base fluid and alkylamines.

Appears to be more of a SF-SH rated oil.

I would think this oil would create more ash deposits than most oils.

[ November 11, 2003, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]

 

[Jason8691]

neosyntheticoil.com

Thats their site, and they do rate the oil as an SH oil (I just thought the site was out of date), and nope-there are no API ratings for this stuff. Their claim to fame is that its a racing oil, but its more expensive than Red Line and is harder to get. So this is not a good oil for a new vehicle?

[ December 10, 2003, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: rugerman1 ]

 

[JohnBrowning]

Almost none of the boutique oil are API certified. Most have too much Zink or other AW/EP to be certified with API. It would probably hold up well being diester based. THe only way to know for sure is to run it and do a UOA. I have to say that the price would stop me. I draw the line at $7 a quart!!

I do wounder why it is so expensive. I was under the impression that diester base stocks were rather reasonable today.

 

[GSV]

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I draw the line at $7 a quart!!

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Yeah, me too. Redline and Delvac 1 are my top end. It is tough to justify paying that much. When something costs 9 dollars a quart MORE than Chevron Supreme it had better be the mother of all oils.

 

[Pablo]

Good summary Molacule.

Jason8691 => Thanks for posting this VOA. Many of us were eagerly awaiting a VOA on NEO.
I would not use this oil is a new car. Why? Comes to mind. If there is an oil that's a candidate to violate all known new car warranties, this is it. I can debate P poisoning of cats, but Pb at 170 ppm to start - what about hazardous material? And that's not even mentioning the ash issue.

Love to see a UOA on this, though

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Thanks Molakule ,
Why do you say it might create more deposits? High Ca and ZDDP? Yet the ash % is much lower than even M1. Isn't the ash % accurate?

Jason8691 , awesome! Thanks for posting. I assume you will do a UOA also. Can't wait. I would not worry about it in a new vehicle. I am using Red Line in a GTP under warranty. And from hearing peoples' warranty experiences, it seems 99.9% of the time oil is not even considered. I would only worry about losing warranty when you go physically modifying engine and tranny parts.

 

[MolaKule]

"Thanks Molakule , Why do you say it might create more deposits? High Ca and ZDDP? Yet the ash % is much lower than even M1. Isn't the ash % accurate?"

They are only reporting the "sulfated" ash, not the total ash deposits from all of the metallic additives.

[ November 12, 2003, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]

 

[Jason8691]

I dont know if Im going to spend $50 for oil plus shipping and another $10 for a filter! I did this to see if this oil was worth the money and would be a good idea to to put im my truck. From what Im reading it doesnt look like its worth the expense plus the shipping-plus a UOA. If I could drive down the street and get like I can Red Line I might do it. So someome else will have to do that UOA!

[ November 12, 2003, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: Jason8691 ]

 

[unDummy]

I think its worth $10 a quart if you can get at least 15k miles without a bad UOA.

 

[Jay]

Thanks for the analysis Jason8691. I think the oil is a good candidate for motorcycles. NEO is very close-mouthed about their oils. They don't tell much on their website and they don't say much more if you call, so it was good that someone has finally done a VOA.

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Actually about the ash...I suppose that % could be wrong. There is no date on the website, but I believe it is pretty old. Could have reformulated since then.

 

[Robbie Alexander]

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Originally posted by Jason8691:
I dont think anyone has done a VOA on a NEO oil yet-*-*-*

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I don't think so as well.
Thanks for the post... Been wondering about this stuff.
That's a chunk of change for the cost per quart....
Wonder how long does it take to pay for itself?

 

[Jason8691]

I dont think it could pay for itself. The cost of 5 qts of oil plus shipping totals over $60, it just doesnt make sense when you can get quality oils just down the street for half the price. And if you add in a good filter and regular UOAs, your talking serious money! **** this VOA cost me $50, that was 1qt of oil and shipping plus the cost of the test. My truck would have to get 5 miles per gallon better to make it worth while! Im really glad this site exists or I probably would have gone ahead and experimented!

[ November 13, 2003, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: Jason8691 ]

 

[Robbie Alexander]

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Originally posted by Jason8691:
-*-* Im really glad this site exists or I probably would have gone ahead and experimented!

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You probably still will, least a little Hugh?
As far as not paying for itself... we've all been there.

Frankly I think it's great that someone has posted this oil here. I wish someone would do a BG. Anyway, it's only by sharing on our information or "TESTS" hehehehe that we do, that
we can benefit. The thing is that there should be a section devoted to "The Mad Science of Oil Experiments - He He He Heeee !!!!) and where we can HASH out an EXPERIMENT that at least a couple are willing to try, and see how this random mess we call order really computes.

 

[JohnBrowning]

The price is just insane! I think I would take that quart you have and either mix it in with you next OCI or use it to top off between changes. One way I got rid of oil was in my GEO Metro. Each time I di an oil change on any of my family members vechiles I would drain each bottle into a 5 quart jug. I would also drain 1/4 and 1/2 quart bottles into the jug. Usualy between 6 months to a year down the road that 5 quart M1 jug was full. I would use this mix match brew of oils to do oil change on my GEO adn to make home made gun oil.

 

[Jason8691]

I will probably use it to top off. Or I may put it in my lawnmower and see what happens! I do agree though, that price is ridiculous, and thats the main reason Im not willing to experiment with it.

 

[1 FMF]

Here's an idea what it can be used in,
how about marine engine use (carb'd, no cat's)?
say... a 3.0L GM inline-4 cylinder, that turns 4000 rpms all the time?