Mobil 1 Virgin Oil Analysis Compendium (Blackstone Labs)

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Hi,

Thanks to Jason (quadrun1), we now have a
complete collection of virgin oil analysis
results from a single lab (namely Blackstone
labs).
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Viscosity 0W-30 5W-30 10W-30 0W-40 15W-50

aluminum 0 0 0 1 0

chromium 0 0 0 0 0

iron 1 2 1 2 2

copper 0 0 0 0 0

lead 0 0 0 0 0

tin 0 0 0 0 0

molybdenum 75 68 69 72 69

nickel 0 0 0 0 0

managanese 0 0 0 0 0

silver 0 0 0 0 0

titanium 0 0 0 0 0

potassium 0 0 0 0 0

boron 182 120 190 186 176

silicon 4 4 3 4 8

sodium 8 7 9 6 8

calcium 2666 2649 2976 3243 2339

magnesium 18 18 16 13 18

phosphorus 847 737 749 808 1072

zinc 955 819 827 976 1175

barium 0 0 0 0 0

vis @ 210 61.8 60.3 58.3 72.7 89.1

flash point 445 430 430 465 445


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Jae

[ March 08, 2005, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: rugerman1 ]
 
Awesome, thanks guys!

I wonder if the 5w30 purposely has less boron than the rest, or if that one batch was just lower. If that's the case, quality control at Mobil 1 is a bit lax.
 
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Originally posted by Patman:
Awesome, thanks guys!

I wonder if the 5w30 purposely has less boron than the rest, or if that one batch was just lower. If that's the case, quality control at Mobil 1 is a bit lax.


Hi Patman,

I think that it is virgin oil analysis of a
bad batch. The only VOA of 5W-30 from
Blackstone labs I could find was from "3 Mad
Ponchos" oil life study. If you look at 1,000
mile results, Boron levels went way up (close to
levels of other Mobil 1 grades).

Notice that "3 Mad Ponchos" comment on the
fact that TBN went up from 0 to 1,0000 mile
measurements.

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Jae
 
quote:

Originally posted by quadrun1:
Thanks, J! Do we have a VOA of the new M1 0W-20 anywhere?

Hi Jason,

I couldn't find one, not that I looked for it
very hard. That oil just doesn't get me all
excited like 15W-50 does.

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Jae
 
Looks to me like the 0W30 is the one to use. I might use that in my new Honda Civic I'm getting tomorrow
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quote:

Originally posted by slickracer:
Looks to me like the 0W30 is the one to use. I might use that in my new Honda Civic I'm getting tomorrow
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Hi,

This is only the virgin oil analysis.
The true test of an oil is used oil
analysis.

The 30 weight multi-grade Mobil 1 oil which
shines best for UOA is 10W-30.

When your car has broken in, you should switch
your Civic to Mobil 1 0W-40 or Delvac 1 5W-40.

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Jae
 
Patman

How do we know the quality control problem is not at Blackstone?

richard
 
quote:

Originally posted by tenderloin:
When your car has broken in, you should switch
your Civic to Mobil 1 0W-40 or Delvac 1 5W-40
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Less MPG and HP with no better protection. Stick with a lighter weight oil for max results.
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Hi,

Mobil 1 0W-40 and Delvac 1 5W-40 both have
HT/HS viscosity greater than 3.5 mPa-s

If Mobil just made their 30 weight oils just
a little bit thicker, we would not be
having this discussion.
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Jae
 
quote:

If Mobil just made their 30 weight oils just
a little bit thicker, we would not be
having this discussion

I agree, although lighter oil may have it's benefits with flow rates. Chevy could have used 0w-40 or 15w-50 in there Vette, but they thought 5w-30 was fine. And if you believe Steve Bergen article, viscosity has nothing to do with wear.
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[ May 05, 2003, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
 
quote:

Originally posted by buster:

quote:

If Mobil just made their 30 weight oils just
a little bit thicker, we would not be
having this discussion

I agree, although lighter oil may have it's benefits with flow rates. Chevy could have used 0w-40 or 15w-50 in there Vette, but they thought 5w-30 was fine. And if you believe Steve Bergen article, viscosity has nothing to do with wear.
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Hi,

I never trust manufacturer's recommendations
for oil. Manufacturers often do not have
consumer's best interest in mind.

Also, the most demanding application may not
be big V8 such as LS1. It may be the high
rev'ing small four cylinder engines, especially
if turbo-charged.

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Jae
 
When your car has broken in, you should switch
your Civic to Mobil 1 0W-40 or Delvac 1 5W-40
nono.gif


Less MPG and HP with no better protection. Stick with a lighter weight oil for max results.
smile.gif
 
I have decided I will run the factory oil in my Civic EX for 4,000 miles, change to Pennzoil 5w20 for the next 4,000, then switch to Mobil 1 5w-30 with 7,000 mile intervals. Tha price of the 5 quart jugs is too good to pass up.
 
quote:

Also, the most demanding application may not
be big V8 such as LS1. It may be the high
rev'ing small four cylinder engines, especially
if turbo-charged.

I agree, I do think LS1's are easy on oil from what I see.
 
quote:

Originally posted by buster:
And if you believe Steve Bergen article, viscosity has nothing to do with wear.
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Hi,

I read the link you posted regarding
information provided by Steve Bergen. It had
no technical information. It seemed like a lot
of "proof by intimidation".

Also, he concentrated on low temperature
cranking, but what about those of us who live
in sunny California?

In addition, he says that it is impossible
to push oil out of journal bearings? Is this
his guess or did he have some technical
argument?

Perhpas he doesn't see journal bearing damage
during 1-day torture tests, but what about
100,000 miles of normal driving?

He may have been toe-ing the company line.

Brow-beating by research engineers backed up
by zero technical information that just happens
to present information beneficial to his
corporate organ grinders do not have much
credibility with discerning BITOG audience.

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Jae
 
It could be just that J. I'm not an engineer so I couldn't say either way. I'd be willing to bet he is not right though and is probably walking the fine corporate line.
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Phosphorus and Zinc are much higher in the 15w-50. It would be nice to have those levels in the other viscosities.
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Maybe you could add Delvac 1 to the spreadsheet? It's not really Mobil 1, but it is a very close relative!

quote:

Originally posted by J:
Hi,

Thanks to Jason (quadrun1), we now have a
complete collection of virgin oil analysis
results from a single lab (namely Blackstone
labs).

Jae




[ September 03, 2003, 08:55 PM: Message edited by: CJH ]
 
I'm send off a few samples to have checked. Mobil 1 has been doing some serious tweaking it appears. Increased ZDDP and Calcium out the whazoo.
 
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