HD Synthetic Oil is available
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A brand new Kawi 1600 Classic retails for $10,499 and can be had easily for $9500-$10,000. A new Harley Fat Boy is about $16,750. Let me know where I can get the new Fat Boy for $10,499 and I will buy one tomorow.quote:
Originally posted by medic:
This isbut I felt the need to point out that any similar NEW Honda, Kawi, or Suzuki will be very similar in price to a NEW Harley. It's when buying used that the others become $5-10k cheaper.
The msdf sheed for the harley synthetic oil lists the manufacturer as CITGO.
I picked up some HD Synth today. It will be going out for a virgin sample soon.
I am still wondering if it is a group 3 or 4/5 base oil. If it is indeed a Citgo product do they make anything else in a group 4/5 or just group 2,3's. I would like to see how this oil holds up to the regular Harley oil. I will be testing the Amsoil 20W50 in my bike this year but would still like to see how this other stuff does. It will be four times the price of regular HD oil in my area. Regular Harley 20W50 goes for anywhere from $4.05 to $4.99 CDN, and the synthetic is expected to be around $16. So at four times the price I hope it is at least 2-3 times as good
I paid 8.25 US for the synthetic in St. Petersburg, so that works out to about $12.25 CDN. If that is the US price in the Northern states it would be worth it to have it shipped from a dealer by the case to persons or groups that wanted to use it a lot.
If that is for the Amsoil, let me know should be able to get it shipped to you for less than $8CD if you buy a case. I would also say, then you have no doubt as to the quality, it's full PAO/Ester
My brother-in-law just picked up a new 2003 H-D.
Should he run the syn stuff or use the harley 360?
Said he can't use Amsoil becuase it will void his warrenty, I'm not going to get into a family fued over it.
Should he run the syn stuff or use the harley 360?
Said he can't use Amsoil becuase it will void his warrenty, I'm not going to get into a family fued over it.
Found a good Syn3 FAQ, They must really tout this stuff as Good
Q: Is SYN3 a full- or semi-synthetic?
A: SYN3 is a full synthetic lubricant. It is the general practice in the industry that a "True Synthetic" is formulated with Group IV Polyaplhaolefin (PAO) basestocks. SYN3 is formulated with PAO basestocks and is a "True-Synthetic"
Q: Is SYN3 a full- or semi-synthetic?
A: SYN3 is a full synthetic lubricant. It is the general practice in the industry that a "True Synthetic" is formulated with Group IV Polyaplhaolefin (PAO) basestocks. SYN3 is formulated with PAO basestocks and is a "True-Synthetic"
HD specific oil sounds like a bunch of BS to me. If a mass produced bike needs something 'special' then something's wrong and you need to fire a bunch of doodoo engineers and get somebody who can work with commonly available oils. Since I don't think that's the case the other alternative is dishonesty on HDs part.
Great marketing and money making scheme for HD though.
Great marketing and money making scheme for HD though.
Link to FAQ:
http://www.folsomhd.com/special.cfm?pagenum=34
[ May 08, 2003, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: msparks ]
http://www.folsomhd.com/special.cfm?pagenum=34
[ May 08, 2003, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: msparks ]
HD has been involved in marketing hype for a long time. There is nothing about an HD engine that requires any different lubricant than any other. They have built a loyality to the HD brand and its been sucessful for them in profits. I have a good friend with a 1999 HD and he is one who will buy anthing with the HD logo on it. Clothing, parts for bike, you name it. There isn't a day that he is not wearing something with the HD logo on it. Before 1999 all he did was badmouth the HD's and was a Honda man for over 25 yrs till he could afford the $20,000 HD and its now his religion. LOL
I think some of that FAQ (the true synthetic part) may have been fabricated by the dealership who hosts that page. I'm not saying it is a lie but just that they typed it out in their own words. On HD's website the questions are in a different order and say nothing about group IV oil. Maybe they were getting a lot of questions about the oil and they put it on the website to help people out? Hopefully if they did do this they found out the info was true from Harley first.
In my last quarterly harley newpaper I also read the "true synthetic", "PAO" & "group IV" statement made above. This was also in a FAQ format. The motor company must be forwarding this info on to the dealers, and therefore I am assuming it is true. It better be a "true synthetic" for the price
FYI,
I found this on another amsoil dealers site so you can take it with a grain of salt.
I found this on another amsoil dealers site so you can take it with a grain of salt.
Why I posted this is becuase if amsoil truley did test it, they should know if it's PAO or Group III based. Might want try them if you are really intersted in the Harley stuff.
FYI Amsoil has a right up about the HD synthetic in this months Action news. I'll read it and give a synopsis(biased of coase
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im scared I sold somebody the wrong oil! He has a new 2003 harley davidson heritage sorttail. I gave him Series 2000 20W-50 Racing Oil for the motor. Transmission i gave 75W-90, and for the Chaincase i gave 10W-40. Did i make a good choice?? If not then will it last a season (without major damage) until i get him the V-Twin 20W-50 oil?quote:
Originally posted by TooSlick:
My Harley customers run the Series 2000, 20w-50 racing oil rather than the 20w-50 V-Twin stuff. Since most of these are dry clutch designs, you don't need a JASO MA rated lube. One guy out in Arizona reported a 15F-20F degree drop in cylinder head temps in his 1340 cc bike.
I would not see any problem running Mobil 1, 15w-50 in any dry clutch motorcycle either ....
I figured HD would get around to synlubes eventually
TooSlick
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[ February 07, 2004, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: therion ]
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