Castrol Magnatec Stop-Start 5W-30 A3/B4

[volodymyr]

Originally Posted By: SR5
Easy, in Australia, of you want a SN oil buy Magnatec, but if you want a Euro OEM oil then buy Edge.
It looks like in Europe, Edge = Low SAPS C3 type oils, while Magnatec = High SAPS A3/B4 type oils.


It is not so easy in Europe. In fact here you have multiple revisions of both Magnatec and Edge, and most of those are low/mid SAPs. Looking at the specs of those one may have a hard time to see the difference except the logo. For example, this is what you can buy in Germany:

CASTROL MAGNATEC line which lists oils with average specs:

1. CASTROL MAGNATEC 10W-40 A3/B4

API SL/CF
ACEA A3/B4
VW 501 01/505 00
MB-Freigabe 229.1
Erfüllt Fiat 9.55535-D2

2. CASTROL MAGNATEC 5W-40 C3

API SN/CF
ACEA C3
MB-Freigabe 229.31
VW 502 00/505 00
BMW Longlife-04
Renault RN0700/0710
GM dexos2® **
Erfüllt Fiat 9.55535-S2

3. CASTROL MAGNATEC DIESEL 5W-40 DPF

API SM/CF
ACEA C3
VW 502 00/505 00/505 01
MB-Freigabe 229.31
BMW Longlife-04
Erfüllt Ford WSS-M2C 917-A
Erfüllt Fiat 9.55535-S2

4. CASTROL MAGNATEC DIESEL 10W-40 B4

API SL/CF
ACEA A3/B4
VW 501 01 / 505 00
MB-Freigabe 229.1
Erfüllt Fiat 9.55535-D2

CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START line which lists oils with Edge-like specs:

1. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 A3/B4

ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
API SL/CF
BMW Longlife-01
MB Freigabe 229.3/229.5/226.5
Renault RN0700/0710
VW 502 00/ 505 00

2. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 A5

ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5
API SN/CF
ILSAC GF-4
Meets Ford WSS-M2C913-A, WSS-M2C913-B, WSS-M2C913-C, WSS-M2C913-D

3. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 C2

ACEA C2
API SN
Meets PSA Freigabe B71 2290
Meets Fiat 9.55535-S1

4. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 C3

ACEA C3
API SN/CF
dexos2®***
MB Freigabe 229.31/229.51
VW 502 00/ 505 00
BMW Longlife-04
Renault RN 0700/0710

5. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-20 E

API SN
ILSAC GF-5
Meets Ford WSS-M2C948-B

6. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 0W- 30 D

Meets Ford WSS-M2C950-A

CASTROL EDGE line which seems to be very alike to Magnatec Stop-Start:

1. CASTROL EDGE 0W-40 A3/B4

ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
API SN/CF
VW 502 00/ 505 00
BMW Longlife-01
MB-Freigabe 229.3 / 229.5, Porsche A40
Erfüllt Ford WSS-M2C937-A

2. CASTROL EDGE 0W-30

ACEA C3
API SN
VW 502 00/ 505 00
BMW Longlife-04
MB-Approval 229.31/ 229.51
Renault RN0700/0710
dexos2®

3. CASTROL EDGE 5W-40

ACEA C3
API SN/CF
BMW Longlife-04
Erfüllt Fiat 9.55535-S2
Erfüllt Ford WSS-M2C917-A
MB-Freigabe 229.31 / 229.51 / 226.5
Renault RN0700/0710
VW 502 00 / 505 00 / 505 01
dexos2®

4. CASTROL EDGE 5W-30 LL

ACEA C3
MB-Freigabe 229.31 / 229.51
VW 504 00/ 507 00
Porsche C30

5. CASTROL EDGE 5W-30 C3

API SN/CF
ACEA C3
BMW Longlife‐04
VW 502 00/505 00/505 01
MB‐Freigabe 229.31/229.51
Renault RN0700/0710
dexos2®

As you can see, the choice is big and Full SAPs oils are rare in Europe

 

[volodymyr]

Jetronic,

Originally Posted By: Jetronic
Yes, you are right. The vendor didn't list the C3 rating and I didn't investigate further. All 5w30 edge are midsaps then.


Most of them. You still have Edge 0W-40 A3/B4 and Edge 10W-60 A3/B4 which are MB 229.5, A3/B4.

 

[virginoil]

Originally Posted By: volodymyr
Jetronic,

Originally Posted By: Jetronic
Yes, you are right. The vendor didn't list the C3 rating and I didn't investigate further. All 5w30 edge are midsaps then.


Most of them. You still have Edge 0W-40 A3/B4 and Edge 10W-60 A3/B4 which are MB 229.5, A3/B4.


We also have the 10W30 grade in Stop/Start and Edge.

 

[pscholte]

The only thing i don't like about Magnatec is you can't leave any iron objects lying around the container

 

[volodymyr]

pscholte,

Originally Posted By: pscholte
The only thing i don't like about Magnatec is you can't leave any iron objects lying around the container


So true.

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: volodymyr

It is not so easy in Europe.

1. CASTROL MAGNATEC 10W-40 A3/B4

2. CASTROL MAGNATEC 5W-40 C3

3. CASTROL MAGNATEC DIESEL 5W-40 DPF C3

4. CASTROL MAGNATEC DIESEL 10W-40 B4

1. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 A3/B4

2. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 A5

3. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 C2

4. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 C3

5. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-20 E, GF-5

6. CASTROL MAGNATEC STOP-START 0W- 30 D, WSS-M2C950-A

1. CASTROL EDGE 0W-40 A3/B4

2. CASTROL EDGE 0W-30, C3

3. CASTROL EDGE 5W-40, C3

4. CASTROL EDGE 5W-30 LL, C3

5. CASTROL EDGE 5W-30 C3, dexos2


Yes, big selection. Thanks for listing it all out.
Not too bad if you know your stuff, but I can see it being very confusing for the average consumer, who probably doesn't change their own oil anyway.

 

[Jetronic]

Most are still stuck in the "what oil viscosity" mindset, and even at garages I'd say you'll find a lot focussing on that instead of the acea rating if there's no manufacturer spec.

 

[volodymyr]

SR5,

Originally Posted By: SR5
Yes, big selection. Thanks for listing it all out.Not too bad if you know your stuff, but I can see it being very confusing for the average consumer, who probably doesn't change their own oil anyway.


Well, judging from my colleges who own VW cars (which obviously consume oil like [censored], especially TSI engines) they buy oil for topping up and they are pretty accurate when doing so: viscosity and VW specs are correctly chosen and this is done by complete newbies.

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: volodymyr
SR5,

Originally Posted By: SR5
Yes, big selection. Thanks for listing it all out.Not too bad if you know your stuff, but I can see it being very confusing for the average consumer, who probably doesn't change their own oil anyway.


Well, judging from my colleges who own VW cars (which obviously consume oil like [censored], especially TSI engines) they buy oil for topping up and they are pretty accurate when doing so: viscosity and VW specs are correctly chosen and this is done by complete newbies.


That's good to hear mate. Yeah if you are prepared to read the car's owners manual it should be easy to do the right thing.

I had an old Audi and man it drank oil like water, so I feel for your friends.

Hey how are you finding that Nissan ? I think we call them a Dualis here. I like the look of them and wouldn't mind getting one.
Is yours 2WD or 4WD? How is the SynPower A3/B4 doing in it ?

 

[volodymyr]

SR5,

Originally Posted By: SR5
I had an old Audi and man it drank oil like water, so I feel for your friends.


Yes, in fact every German car I owned had oil consumption problems. Every Japanese car I owned did not have oil consumption problems. This is very subjective, I know ...

Originally Posted By: SR5
Hey how are you finding that Nissan ? I think we call them a Dualis here. I like the look of them and wouldn't mind getting one.
Is yours 2WD or 4WD? How is the SynPower A3/B4 doing in it ?


It is a very nice vehicle but not without flaws.

I bought it new and it never consumed any oil (now it has 72'000 km on the clock right now). OD used 5W-40 ELF oil with A3/B4 spec with 15'000 km OCI, once warranty ended I started to use Valvoline SynPower 5W-30 which is a European made version with MB 229.5, A3/B4 spec. In 6 years the only problem I got with the car is a dead car battery (on 5th year). That's all

I know, it is getting older and older and problems may arise but it is phenomenal to me how reliable this thing is. The car is 4WD and it has MR20DE petrol engine. I think this engine is only present in Europe and is very simple one: 144 hp out of 2 liters displacement. Perhaps that's why it is reliable.

I can't say I treat the car gently - it sees sometimes trips across Europe including of course famous german motorways where I drive sometimes 160-170 km/h. (those harsh conditions were done mostly on ELF 5W-40 oil btw).

Valvoline SynPower seems to be a fair oil, my typical OCI are 11'000 km, and it holds well (manual specs 30'000 OCI for normal conditions, 15'000 OCI for harsh conditions with any ACEA rated oil). However, I am not happy with the rough noise I feel sometimes especially during the winter (warming up) driving on SynPower. I would like to do some UOA of SynPower, but this seems to be uncommon and expensive here. Perhaps I should send the sample to the US like Popsy did with his recent UOA of PETRONAS oil.

I am quite happy with the car and I plan to keep it to see how long the engine will live giving my use of Full SAPS oils

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: volodymyr
SR5,

It is a very nice vehicle but not without flaws.

I bought it new and it never consumed any oil (now it has 72'000 km on the clock right now). OD used 5W-40 ELF oil with A3/B4 spec with 15'000 km OCI, once warranty ended I started to use Valvoline SynPower 5W-30 which is a European made version with MB 229.5, A3/B4 spec. In 6 years the only problem I got with the car is a dead car battery (on 5th year). That's all

I know, it is getting older and older and problems may arise but it is phenomenal to me how reliable this thing is. The car is 4WD and it has MR20DE petrol engine. I think this engine is only present in Europe and is very simple one: 144 hp out of 2 liters displacement. Perhaps that's why it is reliable.

I can't say I treat the car gently - it sees sometimes trips across Europe including of course famous german motorways where I drive sometimes 160-170 km/h. (those harsh conditions were done mostly on ELF 5W-40 oil btw).

Valvoline SynPower seems to be a fair oil, my typical OCI are 11'000 km, and it holds well (manual specs 30'000 OCI for normal conditions, 15'000 OCI for harsh conditions with any ACEA rated oil). However, I am not happy with the rough noise I feel sometimes especially during the winter (warming up) driving on SynPower. I would like to do some UOA of SynPower, but this seems to be uncommon and expensive here. Perhaps I should send the sample to the US like Popsy did with his recent UOA of PETRONAS oil.

I am quite happy with the car and I plan to keep it to see how long the engine will live giving my use of Full SAPS oils

Volodymyr, thank you very much for that. I think we get the same model here, the 2.0L MR20DE petrol engine and it's only matched with a 6-speed CVT transmission. Either as 2WD or 4WD.

It's good to hear it's serving you well. One battery in six years is fine.

Good to hear you are using a 5W30 or 5W40 A3/B4 full synthetic full SAPS oil, as that is exactly what I use in everything here. Wow 30,000KM OCI, that big, but you have very low sulphur fuel. I would probably keep it to 15,000KM myself. Also good to hear that you sometimes take it up to 160 KMH (100mph) on the German motorways without problems. Sound like a good car.

Hey, you are from Switzerland ! My new boss is from ETH Zurich, he's a nice guy and very smart, it's good working with him.

 

[volodymyr]

SR5,

Originally Posted By: SR5
Volodymyr, thank you very much for that. I think we get the same model here, the 2.0L MR20DE petrol engine and it's only matched with a 6-speed CVT transmission. Either as 2WD or 4WD.


Mine is obviously a stick since I am in Europe

I've read that some people had issues with early Nissan CVTs and that the latest generation of CVTs called Xtronic are a way more reliable.

Originally Posted By: SR5

It's good to hear it's serving you well. One battery in six years is fine.


Yes, so far my vehicle is reliable and I am not getting any headaches when passing 'technical inspection' (sometimes called MFK) which are quite often here. Recently one person in Switzerland gave his car (a diesel van from 2010, same year as mine) to a dealership to fix the MFK issues so they did this and sent him a bill one month later of 8317 CHF (8575 USD, 11636 Australian dollars). More info at http://www.englishforum.ch/transportatio...forming-me.html (in English).

Originally Posted By: SR5

Good to hear you are using a 5W30 or 5W40 A3/B4 full synthetic full SAPS oil, as that is exactly what I use in everything here. Wow 30,000KM OCI, that big, but you have very low sulphur fuel. I would probably keep it to 15,000KM myself. Also good to hear that you sometimes take it up to 160 KMH (100mph) on the German motorways without problems. Sound like a good car.
Hey, you are from Switzerland ! My new boss is from ETH Zurich, he's a nice guy and very smart, it's good working with him.

30'000 km / 2 year OCI are a normal thing here, especially for VW cars. I am personally not sure if 5W-30 is a good choice for me considering the fact I do 70% of motorway driving, I will need to make some UOA to be certain ...

 

[devarshi84]

I was looking for a 5w-30 oil with 229.5 specs for my car and reached this thread. I checked the Euro, US and AU magnatec start stop oil specs but the Indian oil seems to have completely different formulations.

It is 5w-30 rated a3/b4 SN and ILSAC-gf5. But no BMW or Merc ratings on the spec sheet.

Also the viscosity at 40 and 100 are both very low making this the thinnes oil of all versions.

Will this still be a good semi synth compared to other 5w-30 semi synth oils?

link to castrol india magnatec website.
http://www.castrol.com/en_in/india/car-e...l-magnatec.html

Link to PDS (2015)
http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/CA68B7C50DF5E3B480257CB600407224/$File/KRAE-9J2FW4.pdf

 

[Jetronic]

what car do you have?

Ilsac-GF5 and MB229.5 are on opposite sides of the oil industry spectrum. If your car requires a GF-5, you could also se a MB229.5 but not the other way around.

 

[supercity]

Originally Posted By: devarshi84
I was looking for a 5w-30 oil with 229.5 specs for my car and reached this thread. I checked the Euro, US and AU magnatec start stop oil specs but the Indian oil seems to have completely different formulations.

It is 5w-30 rated a3/b4 SN and ILSAC-gf5. But no BMW or Merc ratings on the spec sheet.

Also the viscosity at 40 and 100 are both very low making this the thinnes oil of all versions.

Will this still be a good semi synth compared to other 5w-30 semi synth oils?

link to castrol india magnatec website.
http://www.castrol.com/en_in/india/car-e...l-magnatec.html

Link to PDS (2015)
http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/CA68B7C50DF5E3B480257CB600407224/$File/KRAE-9J2FW4.pdf


They have linked the wrong data sheet, the gf-5 oil not stop start that you are looking at.

 

[SR5]

devarshi84,

The web page says it's SN and A3/B4 at the heavy end of the 30 grade.

The linked PDF says it's SN and GF-5 at the light end of the 30 grade.

It can't be both, and for a MB oil it needs to be A3/B4, so go to the shop and check the bottle. If you have a MB car and need a MB 229.5 oil, the best to keep looking as neither have this spec. However if you just want a heavy 30 the an A3/B4 oil is a good start.

 

[SR5]

Looking at the Castrol India web page, you have two full synthetic Edge products.

- Edge 0W40 which is high SAPS, A3/B4, BMW LL-01, MB 229.5 for petrol engines
- Edge 5W40 which is low SAPS, C3, BMW LL-04, MB 229.51 for diesel engines.

All the Magnatec products appear to be semi-synthetics with no OEM specs like MB 229.x etc. They are fine for a regular car, like something made in Japan.

The final choice depends on your actual car & engine. Also on the sulphur in the fuel, as you can use C3 oil in a petrol car if you have low sulphur petrol, but not with high sulphur petrol.

I would need more details on car and fuel quality to comment further. At least we should both spell "sulphur" the same way.