Originally Posted By: surfstar
Well, with current deals, GTIs are easily had for $22k. I can't remember how many comparison reviews, after pointing out how the EVO or WRX was the faster/better track car, said they would buy and drive the GTI as a DD over any of them. Much more liveable.
I'm not saying these things, they're just what I've read.
and yes the R is overpriced, IMO
Funny, also, as you seem okay with an Impreza (aka WRX) that tops $30k with minimal options added? A Golf is easily a more refined platform to build from, than an Impreza.
Look at the VW inventory. It skews towards the 4-door which ups the base price to starting around $26,500. That is not cheap. You can find an unwanted 2-door, manual, base for a decent price... (OTD for $22K) but you can spend $34K for an "autobahn" too. While because VW can't up-charge strippers due to image, the WRX folks can slap $5,000 additional on MSRP and still sell it. That much demand. One of the reasons I looked elsewhere despite being somewhat of a Subaru fanboy. Plus, if I was going to spend $30 grand on a WRX, it would be an bugeye '02 for $5000 and then use the 25,000 returning it to stock.
Yes, when I was shopping, they had the GTI to $23K BEFORE I picked up the brochure. It was wild. Every sentence from the manager dropped the vehicle price $500. I was also the only person on the lot on a Saturday afternoon. So yes, I could get the VW 2-door for $22+ delivery + extra +tax. OTD would have been closer to $23-23.5K However, I did not find the GTI any more "livable" than the others. It was not as loud at the Subie and the plastics were better than the Ford (but not designed any better). More "adult" but not necessarily better. The shorter wheelbase did not help on NC concrete roads. My Hyundai rode better than the GTI and for a base mode comparison, the Hyundai was better for "refinement" if you ignored the door-closing clunk noise. MSRP and OTD had the VW and the GC to within $400. But then again, I go a V6 RWD for under $24K. VW should be between 22K and 28K for most models with the R coming in around/under the 30K range+options (I cans ee folks going crazy here so why not... I am easing on that position).
Well, with current deals, GTIs are easily had for $22k. I can't remember how many comparison reviews, after pointing out how the EVO or WRX was the faster/better track car, said they would buy and drive the GTI as a DD over any of them. Much more liveable.
I'm not saying these things, they're just what I've read.
and yes the R is overpriced, IMO
Funny, also, as you seem okay with an Impreza (aka WRX) that tops $30k with minimal options added? A Golf is easily a more refined platform to build from, than an Impreza.
Look at the VW inventory. It skews towards the 4-door which ups the base price to starting around $26,500. That is not cheap. You can find an unwanted 2-door, manual, base for a decent price... (OTD for $22K) but you can spend $34K for an "autobahn" too. While because VW can't up-charge strippers due to image, the WRX folks can slap $5,000 additional on MSRP and still sell it. That much demand. One of the reasons I looked elsewhere despite being somewhat of a Subaru fanboy. Plus, if I was going to spend $30 grand on a WRX, it would be an bugeye '02 for $5000 and then use the 25,000 returning it to stock.
Yes, when I was shopping, they had the GTI to $23K BEFORE I picked up the brochure. It was wild. Every sentence from the manager dropped the vehicle price $500. I was also the only person on the lot on a Saturday afternoon. So yes, I could get the VW 2-door for $22+ delivery + extra +tax. OTD would have been closer to $23-23.5K However, I did not find the GTI any more "livable" than the others. It was not as loud at the Subie and the plastics were better than the Ford (but not designed any better). More "adult" but not necessarily better. The shorter wheelbase did not help on NC concrete roads. My Hyundai rode better than the GTI and for a base mode comparison, the Hyundai was better for "refinement" if you ignored the door-closing clunk noise. MSRP and OTD had the VW and the GC to within $400. But then again, I go a V6 RWD for under $24K. VW should be between 22K and 28K for most models with the R coming in around/under the 30K range+options (I cans ee folks going crazy here so why not... I am easing on that position).
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