Keep America's Nuclear Power Stations Running
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Done. They are planning on letting the Diablo Canyon plant by us die a slow death.
Build more ?? Maybe in your State but not near mine..
Originally Posted By: bvance554
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Build more ?? Maybe in your State but not near mine..
Why not? Because they have killed so many people?
ANd, even in a worst case scenario, are state lines radiation shields?
This province should go the nuclear route, too. We have enough uranium here to keep us going for forever and a day.
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Build more ?? Maybe in your State but not near mine..
Why not? Because they have killed so many people?
ANd, even in a worst case scenario, are state lines radiation shields?
This province should go the nuclear route, too. We have enough uranium here to keep us going for forever and a day.
Done. Now if we could get them to look at LFTRs.
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Originally Posted By: bvance554
Weird that a guy from Australia brought this to our attention. We're so dam dumb. We need to be building many more nuclear plants.
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Weird that a guy from Australia brought this to our attention. We're so dam dumb. We need to be building many more nuclear plants.
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Originally Posted By: hatt
The issues with waste are strictly political.
True, but they still have to be resolved before considering building any new plants. The present policy of letting a lifetime of spent fuel accumulate at each plant is not tenable.
The issues with waste are strictly political.
True, but they still have to be resolved before considering building any new plants. The present policy of letting a lifetime of spent fuel accumulate at each plant is not tenable.
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Why pour money into something that can't make a profit?
It most certainly can if done right (as we've discussed before).
Why pour money into something that can't make a profit?
It most certainly can if done right (as we've discussed before).
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Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
No thanks. We're doing quite well on wind energy and don't need all the issues associated with nuclear waste.
What not-so-green turbine is your wind propped up with? What's providing base-load? It most certainly isn't the wind power. Hydro electric works, where viable, but there are plenty of locations where it isn't.
No thanks. We're doing quite well on wind energy and don't need all the issues associated with nuclear waste.
What not-so-green turbine is your wind propped up with? What's providing base-load? It most certainly isn't the wind power. Hydro electric works, where viable, but there are plenty of locations where it isn't.
Originally Posted By: bvance554
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Build more ?? Maybe in your State but not near mine..
Why not? Because they have killed so many people?
It usually boils down to the cost per megawatt. It's pretty high with nuclear but long term, the fuel costs are much lower than a gas fired plant. And they have a long history of cost overruns. With a conventional plant, whatever the design build costs are, they usually come pretty close, they don't go over budget by 2-3x the original estimate. The only saving grace with old nuclear plants is that generators become more efficient so that the power output actually increases as the plant ages as they put in new equipment.
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Build more ?? Maybe in your State but not near mine..
Why not? Because they have killed so many people?
It usually boils down to the cost per megawatt. It's pretty high with nuclear but long term, the fuel costs are much lower than a gas fired plant. And they have a long history of cost overruns. With a conventional plant, whatever the design build costs are, they usually come pretty close, they don't go over budget by 2-3x the original estimate. The only saving grace with old nuclear plants is that generators become more efficient so that the power output actually increases as the plant ages as they put in new equipment.
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Why pour money into something that can't make a profit?
It most certainly can if done right (as we've discussed before).
They will always automatically make money if you stick the rate payer with the bill. So what ends up happening is that one area may end up paying twice as much for electricity with a nuclear plant than some area without one.
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Why pour money into something that can't make a profit?
It most certainly can if done right (as we've discussed before).
They will always automatically make money if you stick the rate payer with the bill. So what ends up happening is that one area may end up paying twice as much for electricity with a nuclear plant than some area without one.
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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Why pour money into something that can't make a profit?
It most certainly can if done right (as we've discussed before).
They will always automatically make money if you stick the rate payer with the bill. So what ends up happening is that one area may end up paying twice as much for electricity with a nuclear plant than some area without one.
They make money at 6.5 cents per KWh here in Ontario, they are actually far less expensive than some of the alternatives. Wind/solar pay at minimum 13 cents per KWh, so they cost the consumer far, FAR more. Nukes are one of, if not the cheapest generator in this province, and makes up the majority of generation. Our one station is over 7,000MW (Bruce).
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Why pour money into something that can't make a profit?
It most certainly can if done right (as we've discussed before).
They will always automatically make money if you stick the rate payer with the bill. So what ends up happening is that one area may end up paying twice as much for electricity with a nuclear plant than some area without one.
They make money at 6.5 cents per KWh here in Ontario, they are actually far less expensive than some of the alternatives. Wind/solar pay at minimum 13 cents per KWh, so they cost the consumer far, FAR more. Nukes are one of, if not the cheapest generator in this province, and makes up the majority of generation. Our one station is over 7,000MW (Bruce).
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Why pour money into something that can't make a profit?
It most certainly can if done right (as we've discussed before).
They will always automatically make money if you stick the rate payer with the bill. So what ends up happening is that one area may end up paying twice as much for electricity with a nuclear plant than some area without one.
They make money at 6.5 cents per KWh here in Ontario, they are actually far less expensive than some of the alternatives. Wind/solar pay at minimum 13 cents per KWh, so they cost the consumer far, FAR more. Nukes are one of, if not the cheapest generator in this province, and makes up the majority of generation. Our one station is over 7,000MW (Bruce).
That is not the case in Illinois. They have to sell into a market of around $0.04 a kWh wholesale.
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Why pour money into something that can't make a profit?
It most certainly can if done right (as we've discussed before).
They will always automatically make money if you stick the rate payer with the bill. So what ends up happening is that one area may end up paying twice as much for electricity with a nuclear plant than some area without one.
They make money at 6.5 cents per KWh here in Ontario, they are actually far less expensive than some of the alternatives. Wind/solar pay at minimum 13 cents per KWh, so they cost the consumer far, FAR more. Nukes are one of, if not the cheapest generator in this province, and makes up the majority of generation. Our one station is over 7,000MW (Bruce).
That is not the case in Illinois. They have to sell into a market of around $0.04 a kWh wholesale.
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Originally Posted By: SHOZ
That is not the case in Illinois. They have to sell into a market of around $0.04 a kWh wholesale.
What are the (non-subsidized) costs for the other generators? As we discussed, your generating buy/sell market operates quite differently from ours, so it would be nice to know the actual costs (not market rates) in the c/KWh format to properly compare them. The initial cost, low output and 30% efficiency are big strikes against wind and solar, even though they are getting cheaper to install.
That is not the case in Illinois. They have to sell into a market of around $0.04 a kWh wholesale.
What are the (non-subsidized) costs for the other generators? As we discussed, your generating buy/sell market operates quite differently from ours, so it would be nice to know the actual costs (not market rates) in the c/KWh format to properly compare them. The initial cost, low output and 30% efficiency are big strikes against wind and solar, even though they are getting cheaper to install.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
That is not the case in Illinois. They have to sell into a market of around $0.04 a kWh wholesale.
What are the (non-subsidized) costs for the other generators? As we discussed, your generating buy/sell market operates quite differently from ours, so it would be nice to know the actual costs (not market rates) in the c/KWh format to properly compare them. The initial cost, low output and 30% efficiency are big strikes against wind and solar, even though they are getting cheaper to install.
There is no direct subsidy but rather income tax credits. My coop has been buying power at $0.037 per kWh for the last three years. Natural gas is the cheap power that sets the low rates. That does not get any direct subsidy either.
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
That is not the case in Illinois. They have to sell into a market of around $0.04 a kWh wholesale.
What are the (non-subsidized) costs for the other generators? As we discussed, your generating buy/sell market operates quite differently from ours, so it would be nice to know the actual costs (not market rates) in the c/KWh format to properly compare them. The initial cost, low output and 30% efficiency are big strikes against wind and solar, even though they are getting cheaper to install.
There is no direct subsidy but rather income tax credits. My coop has been buying power at $0.037 per kWh for the last three years. Natural gas is the cheap power that sets the low rates. That does not get any direct subsidy either.
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