Motorcycle engine oil devolopment

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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle


Why do you care about how much power bikes make? You have your approx. 24 rwhp, and nobody should be allowed to have more hp than you?


Mostly? The twerp that takes a 2-day MSF class on a Rebel and buys a 1000+cc superbike the next day. The moron that buys a 950lb Road King as his first bike. The squidiots that stunt ride in traffic. (Saw one Saturday...lane splitting at 100+MPH-in 70+MPH traffic-on a CBR.)

I'd be fine with no more than 500cc for zoom-splats, 750 or 800 for standards & dual sports, 1050cc for liquid-cooled and 1450cc for air-cooled cruisers and tourers. All should be governed, attempting to remove the speed limiter should result in the ECM bricking and the bike being useless.


Wet weight of a Road King is almost 150 lbs less then you stated. Correct weight is 814 LBS wet/Road Ready.
 
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Jarl, what about cars, should we limit their power output as well? I mean really. What real purpose does 700+ hp in a Hellcat actually serve? And you want to talk about dangerous... what about private airplanes flown by private non-professional (non-commercial) pilots, isn't that even a more dangerous concept than motorcycles? I earned my VFR ticket in 1998, have never went on to do IFR, have only 200 hrs TT (cessna, piper), haven't flown in about ten yrs, yet with only a refresher course and maybe 10 hours dual time with a CFI I'm good to go rent a 172 and fly over your house and workplace in a wonderfully purposeless VFR joyride. I might not even file a flight plan, don't have to, I might just be inclined to squawk 1200 and not talk to anyone until approaching a traffic pattern
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Originally Posted By: alarmguy
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Wet weight of a Road King is almost 150 lbs less then you stated. Correct weight is 814 LBS wet/Road Ready.


He is a well known Harley basher don't bother trying to flush his hogwash with the clear water of fact.
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Not even a Hellcat can mtch the performance of even a 600cc zoomsplat.


That's actually untrue, Jarl.
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Jarl, what about cars, should we limit their power output as well? I mean really. What real purpose does 700+ hp in a Hellcat actually serve? And you want to talk about dangerous... what about private airplanes flown by private non-professional (non-commercial) pilots, isn't that even a more dangerous concept than motorcycles? I earned my VFR ticket in 1998, have never went on to do IFR, have only 200 hrs TT (cessna, piper), haven't flown in about ten yrs, yet with only a refresher course and maybe 10 hours dual time with a CFI I'm good to go rent a 172 and fly over your house and workplace in a wonderfully purposeless VFR joyride. I might not even file a flight plan, don't have to, I might just be inclined to squawk 1200 and not talk to anyone until approaching a traffic pattern
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Can you test in a Piper Cub or a Stearman and fly a P51 Mustang or a 707 the next day? Because THAT is a better comparison!
 
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Believe motorcycle manufacturers already have speed governed @ 186 mph for sales in the US market. That of course only affects the super bikes like Panigale 1299, Hayabusa, ZX14, etc. So just to be clear are you proposing that engine displacement be restricted, power output, a more restricted top speed, or all of the above?

I am not a fan of the nanny state. I believe in Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness which rank among other tenets upon which the US was founded.
 
So you don't approve of either my heavily modified and far more powerful, lighter, and faster than stock Hayabusa, or my modified and faster than stock but still slower than the old 'Busa, '15 S1000RR?

Darn it.
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A $1000 tariff per cc over 500 would probably work. Want a liter bike? That will be 50,000 dollars.

Also, at least a $10,000/year insurance surcharge. Call it the "squid tax".
 
OMG just stop at tiered licensing, the rest is nonsense.
The former indeed does work I think. The introduction of the A2 license opened the gate for bikes with useful power.
Then you can buy anything you want after a few years of practice. Or when you're 24.
The drawback is that awful lot of money you pay to the bureaucrats in the process.
 
Uhhh, yeah. I would also recommend he move out of NEW England and get to England as soon as his 499 cc engine will take him. He will surely fit in better over there....
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
At this point, either Euro style tiered licensing or hard limits on all of the above.

Originally Posted By: Atesz792
OMG just stop at tiered licensing, the rest is nonsense.
The former indeed does work I think. The introduction of the A2 license opened the gate for bikes with useful power.
Then you can buy anything you want after a few years of practice. Or when you're 24.
The drawback is that awful lot of money you pay to the bureaucrats in the process.

Not true in the UK. It used to be like that but now to prgoress from one tier to the next you have to sit the same tests again on more powerful bikes. It is a highly misunderstood and almost universally despised setup and one foisted upon us by the EU and mismanaged by the UK licencing agency.

Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Believe motorcycle manufacturers already have speed governed @ 186 mph for sales in the US market.


This is a global 'gentleman's agreement' between the manufacturers to limit to 300 km/h, to avoid any formal restrictions being imposed. Many ignore or forget about it though. Look on YouTube and you can find bikes running at top speed where the speedometer climbs to 299 km/h and then stops climbing, despite the revs still increasing and the bike getting faster.
 
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Originally Posted By: Atesz792
OMG just stop at tiered licensing, the rest is nonsense.
The former indeed does work I think. The introduction of the A2 license opened the gate for bikes with useful power.
Then you can buy anything you want after a few years of practice. Or when you're 24.
The drawback is that awful lot of money you pay to the bureaucrats in the process.

Not true in the UK. It used to be like that but now to prgoress from one tier to the next you have to sit the same tests again on more powerful bikes. It is a highly misunderstood and almost universally despised setup and one foisted upon us by the EU and mismanaged by the UK licencing agency.

Yep that's how it works here too, I think. Not entirely sure as it seems to change every year or two.
I know that when the A2 came around they upgraded my 'A restricted' license at the time for just the price of the document.
I was happy as can be, previously I could only ride 25kW bikes which is now 35kW.
Enabled me to have my GS500 which has all the power one could need on public roads. Still, everyone always wants more power, including me, but that's a different story..
 
AMC I think the squid comment was aimed at me not you, in retaliation for pulling my endorsement for any oval office run he might be planning. I've tried to give Jarl some leeway but it really appears that he's a student of Lenin, Marx, Mao, and Stalin when it comes to freedom, life, liberty and the the pursuit of happiness instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, and JFK. Seems to have a hatred for the kind of bikes most people like to ride. Power is not for everyone and that's why there is a market for scooters with automatic transmissions like Jarl rides. I have no bias against scooters. I do think the scooter seating position looks too much like sitting on the toilet pushing out a constipation stool, but the exceptional fuel economy and tame nature impart a measure of practicality in dense urban traffic that a lot of motorcycles can't.
 
That post makes me long for the days when you could still challenge someone to a duel...

PS...Lincoln was a traitor, FDR was a socialist, and Kennedy was a junkie.
 
There is a Navy base near me so I thought that is where he was going with it.

My mind set most of the time is, "to each his own". To me, that means not trying to infringe others right of choice; Be it motor vehicle choice, motor oil selection, yada, yada, yada... So long as you really are keeping "to your own" I don't have a problem with it.

Duels in the way of a mostly regulated fist fight would do the world some good. On that idea, I can agree with you, sir!
 
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