Camaro ZL1 tranny: 2 more gears for overkill

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With faster upshifts than a dual-clutch transmission and a wider overall gear ratio spread to optimize performance and efficiency, the all-new available Hydra-Matic 10-speed automatic transmission sets a new performance standard in the 2017 Camaro ZL1 – and raises the bar for the segment.

The ZL1 is expected to be the first volume production car to offer a 10-speed automatic. It builds on the established legacy of Hydra-Matic eight-speed transmission family offered on other Gen Six Camaro models, to deliver higher thresholds of capability, refinement and efficiency.

“There is simply nothing like the experience offered with the new 10-speed automatic in the Camaro ZL1,” said Aaron Link, ZL1 lead development engineer. “It delivers nearly instantaneous, lightning-fast shifts that alter your perception of what an automatic transmission can offer in a high-performance vehicle – whether you’re on the street, drag strip or road course.”

The greater overall performance and efficiency are due primarily to the 10-speed’s wider 7.39 overall gear ratio spread, which enhances off-the-line performance with an aggressive first gear ratio of 4.70. Smaller steps between the gears also help the engine maintain the optimal speed for maximum power at almost all vehicle speeds, especially when exiting a corner on a track.

“The gear ratios are so tightly spaced that the transmission is in the right gear and the engine is at the best rpm for transitions from corners to straights,” said Link. “And with the power from the ZL1’s supercharged LT4 engine, the force you feel in your seat as you accelerate out of a turn will put a grin on your face every time.”

Chevrolet testing has shown the ZL1 with the available 10-speed has faster shift times than the Porsche PDK dual-clutch transmission. In fact, the 1-2 upshift is 36-percent quicker than the PDK, while the 2-3 and 3-4 upshifts are 27-percent and 26-percent quicker, respectively.

“You touch the paddle and the gear changes with immediacy,” said Link. “The shifts happen so quickly and without delay that it almost feels like an extension of your reflexes. It’s a much more involving experience for the driver that really helps improve confidence and performance on the track.”

Hundreds of hours were spent integrating the 10-speed’s shift performance with the unique power band of the ZL1’s supercharged 6.2L LT4 engine, which is estimated at 640 horsepower and 640 lb-ft of torque.

The 10-speed also has a numerically lower top gear ratio than Camaro’s eight-speed automatics, which allows the engine to run at a lower speed on the highway, enabling even greater efficiency.

Creative packaging
Creative packaging solutions, which had to accommodate another clutch in comparison to the eight-speed, allow the 10-speed to be the approximate size of Camaro’s other eight-speed transmission. It uses four simple gearsets and six clutches: two brake clutches and four rotating clutches. That’s only one more clutch than the eight-speed, despite having two more forward gears.

It is also the latest transmission with an all-new, proprietary electronic control system and performance calibrations. The calibration is unique for the ZL1’s high-performance-oriented driving experience, while additional applications will feature calibrations matched to their respective performance ranges.

Additional highlights:
•A reduction in spin losses, thanks to only two non-applied clutches and other design features, contributes to greater fuel efficiency
•New ultra-low viscosity transmission fluid reduces friction across the full temperature operating range for greater fuel efficiency
•An internal thermal bypass allows the transmission to warm up faster to its optimal operating temperature for additional fuel efficiency
•Advanced torque converter design contributes to packaging efficiency.

The 10-speed will be produced with an all-new manufacturing system at GM’s propulsion manufacturing facility in Romulus, Mich. It’s part of a $323-million investment in the facility, which employs 850 hourly and salaried workers.
 
Originally Posted By: Olas
More gears only show how badly designed the engine is.



WHAT??? The new LT4 is one of the best, if not the best performance engine GM has ever built!
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Olas
More gears only show how badly designed the engine is.



WHAT??? The new LT4 is one of the best, if not the best performance engine GM has ever built!

It is, so I doubt the lap times would drop more than few tenths if it had a 3 spd auto...
I guess its a good test bed though, just from a durability and drivability standpoint. If it can hold together and not be annoying on a high performance track machine, it will be fine for lugging around a 1/2 ton with someone half asleep in it.
I wonder how much it weighs, and how much lighter a 5 spd of equal technology would be? At some point lighter is faster.
 
What is the limit ? 12-speed or 15-speed or 20-speed ?

It looks like there is a race to more gears, mine has more gears than yours.

How much will it cost to repair/re-manufacture 10-12 speed transmission ?
 
Originally Posted By: Olas
More gears only show how badly designed the engine is.

A sufficient toy flexible engine should only need one gear.


Are you skyship?
 
Im kind of not getting why given all the tech pushes to make these higher gear number ATs - why not actually invest and implement a high torque CVT???

Is there a fundamental physics that makes this impossible?
 
Originally Posted By: Olas
More gears only show how badly designed the engine is.

A sufficient toy flexible engine should only need one gear.


It make it very clear that there is a lot you do not understand.
 
Pretty sure that's the same 10speed, jointly developed with Ford, that will be in the 2017 F150 and raptor.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Im kind of not getting why given all the tech pushes to make these higher gear number ATs - why not actually invest and implement a high torque CVT???

Is there a fundamental physics that makes this impossible?


CVT's are difficult to design for engines with more than 200-300 ft*lbs of torque. They get heavy because it takes a lot of force to push the pulley sheaves together so they won't slip on the belt. Then the transmission gets heavy and mechanically inefficient due to the high level of internal forces and friction.
 
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Originally Posted By: Olas
More gears only show how badly designed the engine is.

A sufficient toy flexible engine should only need one gear.


How many 1457cc VW Scirocco engines does it take to make 640 ft*lbs of torque?
 
Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
Originally Posted By: Olas
More gears only show how badly designed the engine is.

A sufficient toy flexible engine should only need one gear.


It make it very clear that there is a lot you do not understand.


Lol I want to see and 18 Wheeler fully loaded with one gear....
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: Olas
More gears only show how badly designed the engine is.

A sufficient toy flexible engine should only need one gear.


How many 1457cc VW Scirocco engines does it take to make 640 ft*lbs of torque?


In whole numbers, 6 or 7 if they're healthy.
 
I wish that GM (and Ford AND Mopar for that matter) would develop an affordable REAL SMG, on a performance level with the ones in the Euro exotics already.

The C7, 6th gen Camaro performance models, and performance Stangs and Challengers BEG for one!!
 
I'm sure from a transmission engineers perspective they've met their design targets or a 10 speed would not have been produced. So most likely it is as light or lighter than than previous. I would guess also that BC of the numerous close ratio gears that each mechanical part wont need as much bulk due to lower shifting peak torque loads.

BUT ...if one ever lets go it would probably be far easier to put Humpty Dumpty back together than fix the trans.
 
More gears means more opportunities to keep the engine in its sweet spot. Boosted engines and automatics are a great match on paper. The engine doesn't have to interrupt airflow every time a shift is necessary.

If this is programmed like the ZF 8-speed in BMW's M cars, it'll be a great match. That transmission is brilliant daily driving and on the track. It slushes in traffic and jars fillings loose on back roads.

Knowing GM and Ford, this should be a decent transmission. If they programmed it decently.
 
10 gears in an AT or a CVT tranny, is there really much of a performance difference - both are designed to maximize the performance.
 
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