Space-X and Government Subsidies

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Space-X had small incentives/subsidy from Federal government, mostly from NASA, over the years. They also received small subsidy from state of Texas for building a rocket launch facility.

Comparing this one time $20 million with $1 billion(Billion not Million) a year ULA(United Launch Alliance) a joint venture of Boeing and Lockheed Martin received, even if they don't launch any rocket.

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SpaceX, though it depends far more on government contracts than subsidies, received an incentive package in Texas for a commercial rocket launch facility. The state put up more than $15 million in subsidies and infrastructure spending to help SpaceX build a launch pad in rural Cameron County at the southern tip of Texas. Local governments contributed an additional $5 million.

Included in the local subsidies is a 15-year property tax break from the local school district worth $3.1 million to SpaceX. Officials say the development still will bring in about $5 million more over that period than the local school district otherwise would have collected.

"That's $5 million more than we have ever seen from that property," said Dr. Lisa Garcia, superintendent of the Point Isabel Independent School District. "It is remote.... It is just sand dunes."

Source: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html


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SpaceX can facilitate launches for less than $100 million. To place some context with that figure: ULA's average price per launch sits at $380 million, an astoundingly high amount in comparison just for the launch itself. Furthermore, the average price of the GPS satellites launched with some of these rockets sits at around $140 million. This means that with a SpaceX launch you can buy both the satellite and the launch, and still have well over $100 million in savings compared to just a ULA launch alone.

The financial icing to this egregiously overvalued cake is the $1 billion annual subsidy ULA receives, allotted simply for overhead costs and personnel, even if it doesn't launch a single rocket. To reiterate: they receive $1 billion annually in a retainer fee of sorts even if they launch nothing for the Government.

Source: http://seekingalpha.com/article/2495415-...launch-monopoly


Why people are screaming about $20 million Space-X received from state of Texas for building a rocket launch facility and creating some jobs there, and nobody say a word about Federal Government is paying $1 billion a year to 2 giant companies even if they do nothing.

Is it okay for ULA to charge $380 million per launch using Russian rocket engine, while Space-X charge less than $100 using made in USA engine ?
 
How much of the carbon credits that Tesla receives from other automotive OEM's gets transferred to Space-X? I'm sure Musk won't tell. It's just a hidden form of a government subsidy.
 
Originally Posted By: Kruse
So why are you so fixated on Tesla Motors?


You obviously don't read the rest of his posts, do you ?

Why are you fixated on only his Tesla posts ?
 
The whole thing with the US using Russian rocket engines for launches critical to its national security is pretty funny when you get down to it.
We can't afford to walk away because we have let our own capabilities dwindle so pitifully...the Russians can't walk away because they really need our cash with their oil revenues down so much.
I guess there is some discussion about whether the engine purchases actually violate the economic sanctions that the US slapped on Russia over Ukraine and Crimea. What a farce!!!
 
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
The whole thing with the US using Russian rocket engines for launches critical to its national security is pretty funny when you get down to it.
We can't afford to walk away because we have let our own capabilities dwindle so pitifully...the Russians can't walk away because they really need our cash with their oil revenues down so much.
I guess there is some discussion about whether the engine purchases actually violate the economic sanctions that the US slapped on Russia over Ukraine and Crimea. What a farce!!!


Refurbished old Soviet rockets from their moon exploration projects. I think those were specifically exempted from the embargo.
 
Originally Posted By: Kruse
So why are you so fixated on Tesla Motors?

Where did I say anything about Tesla Motors in this thread ?

This thread is about Federal Government subsidies to various space companies such as Space-X, ULA ...

This sub-forum is "General and Off Topic", so I can post anything as long as it is not 1 of the forbidden topics.

Originally Posted By: A_Harman
How much of the carbon credits that Tesla receives from other automotive OEM's gets transferred to Space-X? I'm sure Musk won't tell. It's just a hidden form of a government subsidy.

Again, this thread is not about Tesla Motors.

This thread is about people screaming about $20M Space-X received from state of Texas for building a rocket launch facility, while nobody say a word about ULA received $1B a year for the last 10 years from Federal Government on top of whatever they launch or without doing anything.

Don't you see the difference ?
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR

Is it okay for ULA to charge $380 million per launch using Russian rocket engine, while Space-X charge less than $100 using made in USA engine ?


Spoken exactly as if Elon Musk were saying it. Do you have a senator in your back pocket too?

Can we have a vote and ask the mods to change your name to Kool Aid Man?
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Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Is it okay for ULA to charge $380 million per launch using Russian rocket engine, while Space-X charge less than $100 using made in USA engine ?

Spoken exactly as if Elon Musk were saying it. Do you have a senator in your back pocket too?

Can we have a vote and ask the mods to change your name to Kool Aid Man?

Is it okay for taxpayer to give 2 giant companies $1B a year even if they don't launch any rocket ?

You like US taxpayers pay for Russian Rocket at an inflate price of $380 million instead of less than $100 million for a US rocket ?

Is there anything wrong with the seekingalpha article ?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2495415-...launch-monopoly

If you have any factual data lay it on the table. What are subsidies that Space-X received over the years and what are subsidies that Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin ... and other major defense contractors received over the last 50 years.

You then will see that Space-X received less than a drop in a bucket compares with others.
 
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I still think 90% of Elon owned company hatred is knee-jerk reaction because people think electric vehicle = green = liberal = bad; therefore SpaceX = bad!

Simplest explanation, usually is the one, right?
 
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