2012 Honda Accord V6, M1 0w20, 5,000 miles

[Chris B.]

Here is the latest from my Accord.
3.5 liter V6 VCM engine. Burns zero oil!
50,000 total miles on engine.
Mobil 1 0w20
5,000 on oil.

First number is factory fill with 8,396 miles on it and was changed when MM said 15%. The rest are all Mobile 1 0w20 at 15,000 miles, 20,000 miles, 30,000 miles and this report at 50,000 miles. All are about 5,000 miles OCI.


ALUMINUM 16, 5, 4, 4
CHROMIUM 1, 0, 0, 0
IRON 39, 11, 9, 7
COPPER 160, 28, 22, 4
LEAD 3, 0, 1, 0
TIN 0, 0, 0, 0
MOLYBDENUM 388, 91, 78, 79
NICKEL 1, 0, 0, 0
MANGANESE 9, 1, 1, 0
SILVER 0, 0, 0, 0
TITANIUM 0, 0, 0, 0
POTASSIUM 7, 0, 1, 2
BORON 144, 65, 50, 61
SILICON 94, 14, 11, 8
SODIUM 13, 0, 4, 6
CALCIUM 1741, 1123, 1062, 1072
MAGNESIUM 68, 774, 726, 783
PHOSPHORUS 654, 634, 574, 624
ZINC 787, 686, 618, 699
BARIUM 1, 0, 0, 0

SUS Viscosity @ 210 F 47.9, 48.4, 49.2, 57.6
cSt viscosity @ 100 C 6.64, 6.79, 7.03, 9.53
Flashpoint 380 F, 395, 375, 375
Fuel Antifreeze 0, 0, 0, 0
Water 0, 0, 0, 0
Insolubles 0.3, 0.3, 0.4, 0.2

 

[Bud_One]

Is this Mobil 0w20 AFE or 0w20 EP ?

 

[Chris B.]

Not the extended drain stuff.

 

[Chris Meutsch]

Run it for 8k minimum.

 

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted By: Chris Meutsch
Run it for 8k minimum.


VCM and this engine is hard on oil and it sludges if you go by the MM. 5,000 OCI is cheap insurance plus it is easy to remember and keep track of.

 

[gregk24]

Originally Posted By: Chris Meutsch
Run it for 8k minimum.
You must not be familiar with the J35 with VCM. OP, keep doing what you are doing. Your report looks great! Thanks for sharing.

 

[berniedd]

any idea why the last cSt figure at 100C was much higher than its predecessors?

 

[Indydriver]

Good results for a Honda VCM, especially the no burning oil part. Carry on.

 

[buster]

viscosity a bit high...

 

[Dorian]

Holy Moly

 

[buster]

I'd def stick with the M1 though. It's 70% PAO.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Last oil is a 30grade not a 20. Or b-stone messed up ... again. I doubt it oxidized with 5K. Was that a harsh winter run?

Dorian that moly is factory fill( you can tell by the wear trends). Japanese OEM seemed to like moly with their 20grades to add a safety margin to a light vis oil. Unfortunately High moly add wont pass TEOST deposit for ILSAC. ILSAC committee gave 20 grades a pass for the fail as 20 wasn't used in hot turbo lube scenarios - at the time.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: buster
I'd def stick with the M1 though. It's 70% PAO.
XOM do not formulate EP with that much PAO, nor the premier 0w40 high specification ACEA/VAG/MB.
GTL is the current move for XOM with ILSAC blends, using VISOM as a transitional stock this PER XOM powerpoint that I cant link for you now

M1 HAD A GOOD OIL WITH THEIR TRISYNTHETIC ... OVER A DECADE AGO. PAO/AN/POE. Real stuff that could outperform amsoil's best stuff at the time in situ in sloppy tuned machines.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: buster
I'd def stick with the M1 though. It's 70% PAO.
XOM do not formulate EP with that much PAO, nor the premier 0w40 high specification ACEA/VAG/MB.
GTL is the current move for XOM with ILSAC blends, using VISOM as a transitional stock this PER XOM powerpoint that I cant link for you now

M1 HAD A GOOD OIL WITH THEIR TRISYNTHETIC ... OVER A DECADE AGO. PAO/AN/POE. Real stuff that could outperform amsoil's best stuff at the time in situ in sloppy tuned machines.


Arco, that's not true. Per MSDS it's 70% PAO.

The rest of their oils are a mix of III/IV and V in various %'s.

M1 EP 0w20
1-DECENE, HOMOPOLYMER HYDROGENATED 68037-01-4 60 - < 70% H304

http://www.msds.exxonmobil.com/IntApps/psims/psims.aspx

Have a look for yourself.

I posted that Visom PDF years ago. It's old.

 

[buster]

I believe XOM will continue to use even more PAO, when needed, to meet the demands of specifications that are really pushing performance limits.

All Mobil 1 oils contain at the ver least 20-30% PAO per the MSDS.

 

[tig1]

All M1 oils contain esters and PAO.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

m1 5w30
1-DECENE, HOMOPOLYMER HYDROGENATED 68037-01-4 20 - < 30%

NONE disclosed in the 0w40

Though I don't trust MSDS for accuracy, Its all we got, right?

I will look into running the 0w20EP in the forester, looks like a REAL synthetic for a good price (if I can find it)

Thanks Buster.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Bought a jug at Wally for 25 and change. We'll see how she does. May go ~ 8000 first go round. Wife puts about 25k a year on the Foz.

 

[bulwnkl]

Quote:


http://www.msds.exxonmobil.com/IntApps/psims/psims.aspx


Why does AFE not come up with a search on that page for "0w20"
?