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Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
Zero.

Without an advertised beta ratio and micron rating, the filter is no more valuable nor "protects your engine" any more than the box it is shipped in.

Is $2 really the value you place on protecting your engine?

Not trying to be mean or rude; if the cost of the filter and the brand name is sufficient for you to sleep at night, go for it.

Here are a few decent filters:

http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/fram-ultra-synthetic-oil-filter/

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2192.pdf





It's 95% @ 20 microns, I believe.
 
Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
Zero.

Without an advertised beta ratio and micron rating, the filter is no more valuable nor "protects your engine" any more than the box it is shipped in.

Is $2 really the value you place on protecting your engine?



... you're a hoot at parties, aren't you?

Seriously though, Quaker State filters are manufactured to spec by Purolator, and from the cut & posts that I've seen of them, they appear to be functionally good enough for a 3k - 5k OCI.
 
They're very similar to the Purolator Classic, without the metal seam crimp & associated tearing problem. My biggest issue would be the non-existent Puro/Mann customer service, they are among the worst companies I've ever seen.
 
I doubt Quaker State would put their name on something that was sub standard. The filter manufacturers council's policy is to manufacture products that meet OEM specifications. This would mean that the QS filter should run as long a an OEM part and is probably guaranteed to do so.
 
I use them for one OCI -- about 5500 miles on 04 Sienna and 06 Accord V6. They seem to be Purolators inside, and have purolator datecodes stamped on the outside. I cut them open and haven't seen any tears. The endcaps are often loose, but I do not believe that is an issue. I have only cut open perhaps the last 10 that I have used.
 
I run them to 5,000 mile OCIs on my cars. No kabooms yet.
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Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
Zero.

Without an advertised beta ratio and micron rating, the filter is no more valuable nor "protects your engine" any more than the box it is shipped in.

Is $2 really the value you place on protecting your engine?

Not trying to be mean or rude; if the cost of the filter and the brand name is sufficient for you to sleep at night, go for it.

Here are a few decent filters:

http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/fram-ultra-synthetic-oil-filter/

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2192.pdf


Why do people pull such stuff from between right & left hip pockets in the information age?

The simple facts from Shell, who owns Pennzoil - Quaker State, dba SOPUS:

http://www.quakerstate.com/about-quaker-state

http://www.quakerstate.com/products/oil-filters
 
As usual, answers all over the board. I've used them for 5-7k miles and wanted to push them farther but know they aren't top of the line. OEM recommends changing every other oil change so 10-20k miles. Can't imagine these are spec'd that much worse than OEM...
 
Originally Posted By: SirTanon
... you're a hoot at parties, aren't you?
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Yeahhh I'm thinking not so much.

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Seriously though, Quaker State filters are manufactured to spec by Purolator, and from the cut & posts that I've seen of them, they appear to be functionally good enough for a 3k - 5k OCI.

That's been my observation too. I'd say 'generally' good for ~5k miles. For whatever reason(s) the Puro 'made for' SOPUS filters including the QS filter, have generally looked respectable on post use dissections.

As a side note, if not having a beta or micron rating was the ultimate standard for using an oil filter and then posting a dissection, been many that wouldn't qualify including but not limited to, all the made in China filters that have been used and posted here. Not mention some of the OEMs with tested ratings of ~50-65%@20um.
 
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Originally Posted By: SirTanon
... you're a hoot at parties, aren't you?
lol.gif
Yeahhh I'm thinking not so much.

Quote:
Seriously though, Quaker State filters are manufactured to spec by Purolator, and from the cut & posts that I've seen of them, they appear to be functionally good enough for a 3k - 5k OCI.

That's been my observation too. I'd say 'generally' good for ~5k miles. For whatever reason(s) the Puro 'made for' SOPUS filters including the QS filter, have generally looked respectable on post use dissections.

As a side note, if not having a beta or micron rating was the ultimate standard for using an oil filter and then posting a dissection, been many that wouldn't qualify including but not limited to, all the made in China filters that have been used and posted here. Not mention some of the OEMs with tested ratings of ~50-65%@20um.


And this is kind of why I asked. If an OEM says leave their OEM filter on for 20K between changes, and FRAM Ultra and such are "better", why are people dumping the filter every 5k? Also, if these QS are made to "OEM specs or better", why are people saying "I'd never use them" or "maybe 3k". I totally get it. Someone says, "well for $4 more I can have filter X." But you can't tell me that if some OEM's have "horrible filters" that the engineers really think an oil filter is a big deal. Oil goes in my engine. If changed within a reasonable time frame and I don't pour sand in it I shouldn't need a filter that filters nanoparticles. Now, if my engine is throwing bearings or losing metal shavings, maybe a fancy filter will catch a few of those...however, that's just delaying the inevitable. It's like cutting an artery on your body and putting a more absorbent gauze pad on it instead of going to the ER...

Just my opinion. Seems as if I have answers all over the place. My dad used to swap FRAM OCOD's every other change (because that's what the manual said to do) and he keeps cars FOREVER and puts miles on them. I'll change this QS at about 8K miles and if I have time and tools necessary I might cut it open for y'all.
 
Sorry guys, I'm not impressed. A 95% efficiency rating at 20 microns is a beta ratio of 20. http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/564/filter-beta-ratios

Each step up on the beta ratio chart, the number of particles downstream is ONE HALF the previous step. Put in real numbers, a 95% efficiency at 20 microns allows 100,000 particles upstream and 5,000 downstream (AFTER the filter).

Realize this IS the Quaker State $2 filter we're discussing.

So why would anyone in their right mind pay $8-10 or more for a filter?

Well, a Fram Ultra, which retails at autozone for $9.99 http://www.autozone.com/external-engine/oil-filter/fram-ultra-oil-filter/269851_0_0/

Has an efficiency rating of 99% at the same micron size as our $2 filter...99% is a beta ratio of 100 vs 20. Since our downstream particle numbers are cut in half from a beta of 20 to 40 to 60 to 75 to 100, that means our high dollar $10 Fram offers 5 times the filtration; and I guess, coincidentally, it just happens to be 5 times the price.

And an Amsoil filter is 98.7% at 20 microns, I think it is about $14, also rated for 15,000 miles, and it is 3 steps up the beta chart from 95%, so you need 5 filters good for 3K to match the value here...

And just what micron size particles do you want between your piston rings and cylinder walls; crankshaft and bearings, between the cam lobes and lifters, between the timing chain and gears, etc.?

Please take this in good humor and not personally, but since someone mentioned "manufatured to spec" by Purolater, can anyone tell me what OEM specs for micron ratings at what efficiency are for Ford, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Lexus, BMW or ANY auto manufacturer? Please post links and educate me.

I'm fine if you're happy with a 95% filter at 20 microns (beta 20). I don't care if you put on an aluminum block off plate and run without a filter. The higher the beta ratio, the better the filter, as long as it is also rated for a decent change interval and has a capacity worth discussing. I run an NTZ AL09 bypass with a beta ratio of 2000, it is 99.97% at 2 microns, so my filter is 100 times better than the $2 bargain; and it is rated for 30,000 miles. http://www.ntzfilter.com/popup/slide26.asp Right now I'm going on 16K on my oil and it is 8 times cleaner than my baseline virgin new oil sample I ran. I just pulled this filter from between my right and left hip pockets.

Sorry if I seem a little sarcastic toward Quaker State, maybe I'm just an OCD filter snob. Don't take me too serious. Do whatever lets you sleep at night.



And yes, I can be a hoot at parties...Just not impressed with an "OEM spec" filter. I would humbly and politely ask my fellow BITOGERS not to be offended with me; yes, I see answers to this Q all over the board. I'm sure there are fellows out there that have run $2 filters (and changed them) for 50-80-100K. Me? I just can't sleep at night with dirty oil, and I really DO hate to change oil.
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Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
Zero.

Without an advertised beta ratio and micron rating, the filter is no more valuable nor "protects your engine" any more than the box it is shipped in.

Is $2 really the value you place on protecting your engine?

Not trying to be mean or rude; if the cost of the filter and the brand name is sufficient for you to sleep at night, go for it.

Here are a few decent filters:

http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/fram-ultra-synthetic-oil-filter/

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2192.pdf
 
Originally Posted By: Ihatetochangeoil
I'm fine if you're happy with a 95% filter at 20 microns (beta 20).


95% @ 20 microns is the minimum efficiency I'd run, and usually shoot for 99% @ 20 microns.
 
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