Mobil1 vs Amsoil European 0W-40

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
MPT now claims that it's ENTIRE line up, INCLUDING their 0W-xx oils are made with a 100% PAO/POE base stock, and absolutely NO VIIs whatsoever, no matter how far the SAE viscosity 'spread'.

I can believe them, when one looks at just how low their VIs are on most of their engine oil products.

And, none of which carry any actual specs that I could see. Plus their guarantee is money back only, no "we'll fix your engine when our products damage it" type of statement. Unless I missed it somewhere.

Oops, sorry. I forgot I wasn't supposed to comment in this thread anymore.

 

[Shannow]

Any links to the "MPT" lineup ?

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Any links to the "MPT" lineup ?


I was going with this:

http://www.mptindustries.com/index.htm

P.S. That's just for Shannow, everyone else please ignore this reply.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
MPT now claims that it's ENTIRE line up, INCLUDING their 0W-xx oils are made with a 100% PAO/POE base stock, and absolutely NO VIIs whatsoever, no matter how far the SAE viscosity 'spread'.

But, at the very least, an oil is a base oil plus additives. So, it can't be 100% base oil, now can it?

They may not use VIIs. That's fine, but I'm assuming there is something with phosphorus in there and some detergent package.

 

[Rolla07]

We can now take this to making a blanket statement that PAO is superior?! Still doesnt quite give us formulation/chemical makeup.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
MPT now claims that it's ENTIRE line up, INCLUDING their 0W-xx oils are made with a 100% PAO/POE base stock, and absolutely NO VIIs whatsoever, no matter how far the SAE viscosity 'spread'.

But, at the very least, an oil is a base oil plus additives. So, it can't be 100% base oil, now can it?

They may not use VIIs. That's fine, but I'm assuming there is something with phosphorus in there and some detergent package.


I kind of figured that everyone in this thread is intelligent enough (and knowledgeable enough about oil formulations) to understand that when I say "base stocks", I am referring ONLY to the base stock composition, and NOT the TOTAL oil formulation.

Maybe I take too much for granted??

BTW; their (MPT's) oils have some of the MOST 'stout' anti-wear/anti-friction AND detergent add packs of ANY oil on the market, with starting TBNs at or above M1 0W-40's/M1 EP oil's levels.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
MPT now claims that it's ENTIRE line up, INCLUDING their 0W-xx oils are made with a 100% PAO/POE base stock, and absolutely NO VIIs whatsoever, no matter how far the SAE viscosity 'spread'.

I can believe them, when one looks at just how low their VIs are on most of their engine oil products.

And, none of which carry any actual specs that I could see. Plus their guarantee is money back only, no "we'll fix your engine when our products damage it" type of statement. Unless I missed it somewhere.


I (NOR they) EVER claimed/stated ANY manufacturer's specs being satisfied with these oils, nor any implied, or stated repair/cover dealer warranty type guarantees.

This IS a 'boutique oil' (and/or a 'racing oil' despite it's high TBN), as much as any oil could be, and I was ONLY giving it as an example of an oil which uses ONLY PAOs/POEs as a BASE STOCK, with NO group 1,2, or 3 added, and NOT as a 'fully certified' Euro, or domestic manufacturers' spec oil.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver

I kind of figured that everyone in this thread is intelligent enough (and knowledgeable enough about oil formulations) to understand that when I say "base stocks", I am referring ONLY to the base stock composition, and NOT the TOTAL oil formulation.

Of course, but there is precision in language. There is an additive package. So, 100% isn't possible. Even primarily PAO oils often use something else for solubility, and that's a reasonable response to a legitimate issue. So, does that change the 100%, either? All I'm saying is that I prefer precision in language when it comes to these things.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: Garak
All I'm saying is that I prefer precision in language when it comes to these things.


Fair enough.

I will try and proof read better, and state ideas much more precisely in the future.

 

[cronk]

I have still yet to see a VOA of the Amsoil Euro 0w40.
It would be interesting to see one and how it compares to Mobil 1.
(and yes I know the VOA doesn't show any of the organic ingredients used in modern oils)

No doubt both are good oils.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
I will try and proof read better, and state ideas much more precisely in the future.

If you don't feel like proofreading, check with me and see if I feel like nitpicking.

We just have to be careful lest new members be grousing about technical synthetics that use a splash of conventional for solubility, or something like that.