Oil pressure effects on viscosity

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Fascinating article:
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29654/journal-bearing-oil

A quote from the article,
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Fluid pressure is generated in the lubricant film, which is able to support load due to its viscosity. Lubricating oils have a significant pressure-viscosity coefficient. This means that the greater the pressure on the lubricant, the higher the viscosity at the pressure point. In the case of rolling-element bearings, this pressure is high enough to raise the lubricant’s viscosity to the point where it will deform the bearing’s rolling elements. This pressure-viscosity coefficient is what provides the load-carrying capacity of a journal bearing.

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So it appears (just surmising, haven't run any numbers) that a 20 weight oil could produce a much higher viscosity in the bearing under pressure, and so putting a 40 weight in where a 20 weight is required, may result in far too much viscosity.
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
What?


The idea that not only is pressure necessary to hold the oil in the bearing to provide the film for the bearing to ride upon, but also that the pressure affects the viscosity. Quite obvious now, but frankly, I never thought of it before. I always thought only about temperature/viscosity variations. I would think the equation above could be applied to determine the correct viscosity for an engine that has aged and is having lower oil pressure than it had when new. Or course it is simple enough to step up one grade in that case, but the technical part is interesting.
 
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Fascinating article:
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29654/journal-bearing-oil

A quote from the article,
Quote:
Fluid pressure is generated in the lubricant film, which is able to support load due to its viscosity. Lubricating oils have a significant pressure-viscosity coefficient. This means that the greater the pressure on the lubricant, the higher the viscosity at the pressure point. In the case of rolling-element bearings, this pressure is high enough to raise the lubricant’s viscosity to the point where it will deform the bearing’s rolling elements. This pressure-viscosity coefficient is what provides the load-carrying capacity of a journal bearing.

Loren_Gallons_Per_Min_Equations.png



So it appears (just surmising, haven't run any numbers) that a 20 weight oil could produce a much higher viscosity in the bearing under pressure, and so putting a 40 weight in where a 20 weight is required, may result in far too much viscosity.



But the equations in your post don't have viscosity as any of their variables, so you can't draw any conclusions about the effect of viscosity.
 
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Originally Posted By: CT8
What?


The idea that not only is pressure necessary to hold the oil in the bearing to provide the film for the bearing to ride upon, but also that the pressure affects the viscosity. Quite obvious now, but frankly, I never thought of it before. I always thought only about temperature/viscosity variations. I would think the equation above could be applied to determine the correct viscosity for an engine that has aged and is having lower oil pressure than it had when new. Or course it is simple enough to step up one grade in that case, but the technical part is interesting.


The pressure that they are talking about in the article is not oil supply pressure, it is film pressure, which is a result of the surface velocity, viscosity, and bearing load. Film pressure is not related to oil supply pressure.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman

The pressure that they are talking about in the article is not oil supply pressure, it is film pressure, which is a result of the surface velocity, viscosity, and bearing load. Film pressure is not related to oil supply pressure.


Thanks for the clarification. Oil supply pressure would be related though in that it is oil supply pressure that (in part) determines the velocity of the flow, or is that not the same as surface velocity.

But regardless of the equations, it seems that if an oil is X viscosity, then is put under pressure by a pump flow and down stream resistance, it would have the effect of increasing the viscosity insofar as the unit of oil under consideration (that in the bearing) is compacted (if it can be compacted), and assuming oil viscosity is related to density, it would be similar to the effect of a rubber ball having greater density when squeezed smaller in your hand (i.e, same mass, smaller volume), no?
 
We normally talk about oil supply pressure here in the range of 30-80 psi. This is small compared to oil film pressures that are in the range of 10,000 psi in a running engine. The velocity of flow that may be provided by oil supply pressure is also small compared to the surface velocity of the journal rotating relative to the bearing. It is the relative velocity of the shaft that generates the hydrodynamic pressure to lift it off of the bearing.

But static oil pressure does have its uses. Shannow has told his story here before about using oil pressure to lift the shaft of his big machines off the bearings prior to initiating rotation.
 
It is the amount of oil that enter between the parts (flow) makes separation by incompressibility of the fluid and consequential pressure. The more it enters, the higher the pressure.
 
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Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Fascinating article:
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29654/journal-bearing-oil

A quote from the article,
Fluid pressure is generated in the lubricant film, which is able to support load due to its viscosity. Lubricating oils have a significant pressure-viscosity coefficient. This means that the greater the pressure on the lubricant, the higher the viscosity at the pressure point. In the case of rolling-element bearings, this pressure is high enough to raise the lubricant’s viscosity to the point where it will deform the bearing’s rolling elements. This pressure-viscosity coefficient is what provides the load-carrying capacity of a journal bearing.

Loren_Gallons_Per_Min_Equations.png



Also notice that the "W" factor is for a steady load. In an IC engine, this is not the case.

For the maxload factor, one would have to determine the max load to determine max pressure.
 
and EHD lubrication could very well be deadly for journal bearings vs roller bearings. certainly not a lubrication regime I want my mains or bigends to be in (metal fatigue).
 
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
A quote from the article,
Quote:
Fluid pressure is generated in the lubricant film, which is able to support load due to its viscosity. Lubricating oils have a significant pressure-viscosity coefficient. This means that the greater the pressure on the lubricant, the higher the viscosity at the pressure point. In the case of rolling-element bearings, this pressure is high enough to raise the lubricant’s viscosity to the point where it will deform the bearing’s rolling elements. This pressure-viscosity coefficient is what provides the load-carrying capacity of a journal bearing.


The writer is confusing a few issues....the article is really more about flow requirement, and less about the viscosity/pressure interaction. He mixes and matches roller bearings and plain bearings.

The formulae provided are an adaptation from steam train drip feeders and the like

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Fluid pressure is generated in the lubricant film, which is able to support load due to its viscosity.


The pressure is generated by the oil remaining stationary relative to the surfaces that it's attached to. The oil adjacent to the shaft is moving at shaft speed, and that at a bearing is stationary relative to the bearing...there's a gradient of velocities between them.

The turning shaft drags the oil with it in the direction of rotation, and this oil is forced into a narrowing clearance on the loaded side of the bearing, this creates the pressure within the bearing, and keeps the parts separate...this is hydrodynamic lubrication.

The oil obviously wants to squeeze out the ends of the bearing, and does. Viscosity slows the rate of side leakage, provides greater MOFT, and reduces the make-up requirement.

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This pressure-viscosity coefficient is what provides the load-carrying capacity of a journal bearing.


Is incorrect in a journal bearing...it's THERE, but hydrodynamics provides the load carrying capacity, and viscosity is a big part...the viscosity pressure in a journal bearing only modifies the viscosity, and not a lot.

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Lubricating oils have a significant pressure-viscosity coefficient. This means that the greater the pressure on the lubricant, the higher the viscosity at the pressure point. In the case of rolling-element bearings, this pressure is high enough to raise the lubricant’s viscosity to the point where it will deform the bearing’s rolling elements.


That's where he mixes his cases, and gets the casual observer confused.

If you look at a ball bearing, and consider them to be rigid as a first approximation, the roller contacts the race at a point...there is infinite pressure at that point, and no material can handle that.

If you consider the bearing materials now to be real, the ball flattens ever so slightly, and the race gives a little and forms a "cup" around it...this deformation will take place until the average contact pressure times the new found surface area is enough to hold the load...those pressures are nothing like the infinite one in the rigid assumption, but are massively high. These are called "Hertzian" stresses.

(Consider that this deformation takes place on the ball and race every time the roll into the direction of load...that's why roller bearings always eventually fail, and have to be maintained...also same thing happens to train tracks).

Under these pressures is a regime called Elastohydrodynamics (EHD), elastic behaviour of the metal, and incorporating hydrodynamics...the pressures are extreme, and the viscosity in that regime has been measured to be that close to soft metals...that property helps them stay in the contact zone and not get squeezed out for the fraction of time that they are under load.

Consider now back to the journal bearing, the surface is soft (used to be lead/tin, but are now going to aluminium etc. They can't handle those sorts of pressures without deforming plastically (permanent shape change), so the operating pressures are limited to a tiny fraction of that which the roller bearings operate at.

There will be pressure/viscosity changes in the lubricating system.

the equation for pressure/viscosity changes is (np is viscosity at pressure, na is viscosity at atmospheric)

np = na x e^(alpha x pressure), alpha is pressure viscosity co-efficient, and for mineral oils it's around 15x10^-9 (0.000000015).

So at an 80 psi 550,000 pascals oil supply pressure, the viscosity is modified by 1.008, 8 tenths of a percent.

In a journal bearing at 40MPa pressure 5,800 psi, the effect is there, but around 70%, and ONLY at the point of maximum pressure. Take a 20W20 and the viscosity... at the point of maximum pressure...will go from 9 to 15. Put an SAE 40 in it, and 14cst becomes 24cst.

In a roller bearing, due to the behaviour described above, the contact pressures can be 1GPa 145,000psi...putting it into that equation suggests that the localised viscosity change is around 3 million...the formula doesn't work at those sorts of pressures, but it's a massive increase, as I said, to near the point of soft metals, and is really the only reason that roller bearings survive at all.

(*)...the bearing materials are becoming harder, as they are dropping viscosity, pushing more into the EHD realms, and need a harder material to handle the pressures.
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Also notice that the "W" factor is for a steady load. In an IC engine, this is not the case.

For the maxload factor, one would have to determine the max load to determine max pressure.


Tall Paul, another factor that's present here is the "squeeze film" effect...clap your hands together, and the air is "squeezed" from between your hands, and there's some cushioning.

With the alternating loads in an engine, that effect is not insignificant.

I'll give an example of how...during turbine alignments, we use "jacking oil" to lift the shaft off the bearing to turn it...it's about 5,000kPa (750 psi), and lifts the 30 tonne shaft. The shaft sits in a 19" diameter, 16" long bearing at each end.

Turn the shaft, then go have a cup of tea, as it takes about half an hour for the ISO 32 (32cst at 40C) oil to be squeezed from between the surfaces.
 
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