I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
Can I use German Castrol 0w40 in a VW PD TDI?
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Originally Posted By: E46M3
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
It will do job good when it comes to lubrication. On other side, your EGR and generally emission system will hate it.
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
It will do job good when it comes to lubrication. On other side, your EGR and generally emission system will hate it.
Originally Posted By: dervdave
NO use it on something else or sell it, PD engines need 505.01 minimum.
+1
If your PD engine has DPF system....than you need vw507
505.01= Full saps
507= Low saps....version of PD oil!!!
Consequences if no PD oil is used....
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3851944/294k_KM_on_2006_TDI_(BEW)..._s#Post3851944
NO use it on something else or sell it, PD engines need 505.01 minimum.
+1
If your PD engine has DPF system....than you need vw507
505.01= Full saps
507= Low saps....version of PD oil!!!
Consequences if no PD oil is used....
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3851944/294k_KM_on_2006_TDI_(BEW)..._s#Post3851944
If 505.01 is the right oil for the unknown model year Passat Diesel (is the what PD stands for?), then mattwithcats' document listed it as 505.01, so use it with full confidence.
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Originally Posted By: dervdave
NO use it on something else or sell it, PD engines need 505.01 minimum.
+1
If your PD engine has DPF system....than you need vw507
505.01= Full saps
507= Low saps....version of PD oil!!!
Consequences if no PD oil is used....
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3851944/294k_KM_on_2006_TDI_(BEW)..._s#Post3851944
Not correct!
VW 502.00= Full SAPS
VW 505.01= Mid-SAPS
VW 504/507.00= Low SAPS
PD in the U.S. does not have DPF, and they require VW 505.01. DUe to camshaft issues with PD engines, the oils that work best in the engine are heavier oils like 5W40.
So my recommendation is to use that GC for other car or sell it, and buy Pentosin 5W40, Valvoline MST 5W40, Motul X-Clean 5W40 or another VW 505.01 oil that is 5W40 (Castrol TDS if you can find it).
Originally Posted By: dervdave
NO use it on something else or sell it, PD engines need 505.01 minimum.
+1
If your PD engine has DPF system....than you need vw507
505.01= Full saps
507= Low saps....version of PD oil!!!
Consequences if no PD oil is used....
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3851944/294k_KM_on_2006_TDI_(BEW)..._s#Post3851944
Not correct!
VW 502.00= Full SAPS
VW 505.01= Mid-SAPS
VW 504/507.00= Low SAPS
PD in the U.S. does not have DPF, and they require VW 505.01. DUe to camshaft issues with PD engines, the oils that work best in the engine are heavier oils like 5W40.
So my recommendation is to use that GC for other car or sell it, and buy Pentosin 5W40, Valvoline MST 5W40, Motul X-Clean 5W40 or another VW 505.01 oil that is 5W40 (Castrol TDS if you can find it).
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
If 505.01 is the right oil for the unknown model year Passat Diesel (is the what PD stands for?), then mattwithcats' document listed it as 505.01, so use it with full confidence.
It is not "Passat Diesel" it is in German: Pumpa Duse engine or in English: Pump injector engine.
Meaning: Each injector has its own pump. It is very complicated system that creates a lot of noise and vibration. However, from the stand point of performance it is probably best solution.
Problem is very lean burn which creates a lot of NoX. That is why VW moved to Common Rail system, but they tried to built on previous engines and that is how all that VW gate was created.
If 505.01 is the right oil for the unknown model year Passat Diesel (is the what PD stands for?), then mattwithcats' document listed it as 505.01, so use it with full confidence.
It is not "Passat Diesel" it is in German: Pumpa Duse engine or in English: Pump injector engine.
Meaning: Each injector has its own pump. It is very complicated system that creates a lot of noise and vibration. However, from the stand point of performance it is probably best solution.
Problem is very lean burn which creates a lot of NoX. That is why VW moved to Common Rail system, but they tried to built on previous engines and that is how all that VW gate was created.
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Originally Posted By: E46M3
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
You would be in very unknown territory using that oil, while using a CJ-4 5w40 (or 5w40 505.01) is well-known.
It is unknown how a 505.00 oil that is also MB 229.5/ BMW LL01 will do in the PD application. MB and BMW never had PD type systems. They went right from rotary pump to common rail (both flat and roller valvetrains).
I would try to exchange the Castrol 0w40 for some 505.01 5w40 or CJ-4 5w40.
Many of you are mis-reading the VAG oil list document.
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
You would be in very unknown territory using that oil, while using a CJ-4 5w40 (or 5w40 505.01) is well-known.
It is unknown how a 505.00 oil that is also MB 229.5/ BMW LL01 will do in the PD application. MB and BMW never had PD type systems. They went right from rotary pump to common rail (both flat and roller valvetrains).
I would try to exchange the Castrol 0w40 for some 505.01 5w40 or CJ-4 5w40.
Many of you are mis-reading the VAG oil list document.
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Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: E46M3
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
You would be in very unknown territory using that oil, while using a CJ-4 5w40 (or 5w40 505.01) is well-known.
It is unknown how a 505.00 oil that is also MB 229.5/ BMW LL01 will do in the PD application. MB and BMW never had PD type systems. They went right from rotary pump to common rail (both flat and roller valvetrains).
I would try to exchange the Castrol 0w40 for some 505.01 5w40 or CJ-4 5w40.
Many of you are mis-reading the VAG oil list document.
VW 502.00/505.00 will do good when it comes to lubrication. Problem will be EGR and converter that is muild with Mid-SAPS oil in mind.
Originally Posted By: E46M3
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
You would be in very unknown territory using that oil, while using a CJ-4 5w40 (or 5w40 505.01) is well-known.
It is unknown how a 505.00 oil that is also MB 229.5/ BMW LL01 will do in the PD application. MB and BMW never had PD type systems. They went right from rotary pump to common rail (both flat and roller valvetrains).
I would try to exchange the Castrol 0w40 for some 505.01 5w40 or CJ-4 5w40.
Many of you are mis-reading the VAG oil list document.
VW 502.00/505.00 will do good when it comes to lubrication. Problem will be EGR and converter that is muild with Mid-SAPS oil in mind.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: E46M3
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
You would be in very unknown territory using that oil, while using a CJ-4 5w40 (or 5w40 505.01) is well-known.
It is unknown how a 505.00 oil that is also MB 229.5/ BMW LL01 will do in the PD application. MB and BMW never had PD type systems. They went right from rotary pump to common rail (both flat and roller valvetrains).
I would try to exchange the Castrol 0w40 for some 505.01 5w40 or CJ-4 5w40.
Many of you are mis-reading the VAG oil list document.
VW 502.00/505.00 will do good when it comes to lubrication. Problem will be EGR and converter that is muild with Mid-SAPS oil in mind.
Are you saying VW 505.01 has nothing to do with the high-pressure cam-driven unit injectors in a PD TDI? Only with emissions?
Pre-PD TDI had cats and EGR using ACEA B3 and B4 based oils (VW 505.00) and 502.00 high-SAPS oils were used back then, and still today, for petrol engines.
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: E46M3
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
You would be in very unknown territory using that oil, while using a CJ-4 5w40 (or 5w40 505.01) is well-known.
It is unknown how a 505.00 oil that is also MB 229.5/ BMW LL01 will do in the PD application. MB and BMW never had PD type systems. They went right from rotary pump to common rail (both flat and roller valvetrains).
I would try to exchange the Castrol 0w40 for some 505.01 5w40 or CJ-4 5w40.
Many of you are mis-reading the VAG oil list document.
VW 502.00/505.00 will do good when it comes to lubrication. Problem will be EGR and converter that is muild with Mid-SAPS oil in mind.
Are you saying VW 505.01 has nothing to do with the high-pressure cam-driven unit injectors in a PD TDI? Only with emissions?
Pre-PD TDI had cats and EGR using ACEA B3 and B4 based oils (VW 505.00) and 502.00 high-SAPS oils were used back then, and still today, for petrol engines.
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: E46M3
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
You would be in very unknown territory using that oil, while using a CJ-4 5w40 (or 5w40 505.01) is well-known.
It is unknown how a 505.00 oil that is also MB 229.5/ BMW LL01 will do in the PD application. MB and BMW never had PD type systems. They went right from rotary pump to common rail (both flat and roller valvetrains).
I would try to exchange the Castrol 0w40 for some 505.01 5w40 or CJ-4 5w40.
Many of you are mis-reading the VAG oil list document.
VW 502.00/505.00 will do good when it comes to lubrication. Problem will be EGR and converter that is muild with Mid-SAPS oil in mind.
Are you saying VW 505.01 has nothing to do with the high-pressure cam-driven unit injectors in a PD TDI? Only with emissions?
Pre-PD TDI had cats and EGR using ACEA B3 and B4 based oils (VW 505.00) and 502.00 high-SAPS oils were used back then, and still today, for petrol engines.
I think emission system is much more complicated on PD then on pre PD-TDI. I had those engines in Europe, both with 90hp and 110 hp (variable turbo), and had Skoda Octavia with 1.9 105hp, while my brother has now 5 PD cars and several CR cars in his car pool for business he owns.
Those engines are Euro III, PD engines are Euro IV and some Euro V, and with that have more complicated emission system.
I am not sure that VW 505.01 is anything more stout and more capable of protection then VW502.00. Primarily, 505.01 is emission protection oil.
Actually, in Europe, VW 504.00/507.00 proved much more suitable for PD engines. My brother uses Repsol 5W30 that meets VW 504.00/507.00 in all cars, and no car ever had any issue, and some are clocking more then 350 k km.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BobFout
Originally Posted By: E46M3
I have 5 gallons of this stuff and I am not going to use it for the car that I intended it for. I realize that this is not 505.01 oil but I don't really car if it will do the job. I generally run 10,000 OCI's on this car and I have been using T6 for the past 2 oil changes but I want to switch to this if I can.
You would be in very unknown territory using that oil, while using a CJ-4 5w40 (or 5w40 505.01) is well-known.
It is unknown how a 505.00 oil that is also MB 229.5/ BMW LL01 will do in the PD application. MB and BMW never had PD type systems. They went right from rotary pump to common rail (both flat and roller valvetrains).
I would try to exchange the Castrol 0w40 for some 505.01 5w40 or CJ-4 5w40.
Many of you are mis-reading the VAG oil list document.
VW 502.00/505.00 will do good when it comes to lubrication. Problem will be EGR and converter that is muild with Mid-SAPS oil in mind.
Are you saying VW 505.01 has nothing to do with the high-pressure cam-driven unit injectors in a PD TDI? Only with emissions?
Pre-PD TDI had cats and EGR using ACEA B3 and B4 based oils (VW 505.00) and 502.00 high-SAPS oils were used back then, and still today, for petrol engines.
I think emission system is much more complicated on PD then on pre PD-TDI. I had those engines in Europe, both with 90hp and 110 hp (variable turbo), and had Skoda Octavia with 1.9 105hp, while my brother has now 5 PD cars and several CR cars in his car pool for business he owns.
Those engines are Euro III, PD engines are Euro IV and some Euro V, and with that have more complicated emission system.
I am not sure that VW 505.01 is anything more stout and more capable of protection then VW502.00. Primarily, 505.01 is emission protection oil.
Actually, in Europe, VW 504.00/507.00 proved much more suitable for PD engines. My brother uses Repsol 5W30 that meets VW 504.00/507.00 in all cars, and no car ever had any issue, and some are clocking more then 350 k km.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
BobFout said:
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: edyvw
BobFout said:
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Well, I am either going to try to take it back to WalMart or keep it for our Miata. I bought it from Amazon and I am out of the return period but Walmart will generally take back most anything.
I bought this car with 200k on it and the Cam had to be replaced as this is a typical problem with this engine, so I don't really want to have to replace it again. I have been using Rotella T6 with 10k OCI's and it seems to work quite well.
I think that this GC 0w40 oil is good, but it is probably not right for this engine. Thanks for all of the suggestions.
I bought this car with 200k on it and the Cam had to be replaced as this is a typical problem with this engine, so I don't really want to have to replace it again. I have been using Rotella T6 with 10k OCI's and it seems to work quite well.
I think that this GC 0w40 oil is good, but it is probably not right for this engine. Thanks for all of the suggestions.
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"Actually, in Europe, VW 504.00/507.00 proved much more suitable for PD engines"
I think in North America the use of the wrong 5W-30 oil in PD engines (sold new in 2004-2006) by mostly VW dealers gave a bad reputation to all 5W-30 oils regardless of VW specs. Once VW 507 oils came to the US for the common rail engines starting around 2009 then no PD owners would use them because of being 5W-30 even though according to VW specifications 507 oils are backward compatible to VW 505.01 (search for the term 'Radionuclid Wear Measurement' of 505.01 vs 507).
I signed up to a couple of VW/Audi forums in Europe to ask the question of weather using a VW 507 oil in a Pumpe Duse engine has lead to premature cam failures and I could not find an evidence (Europe also has a much bigger pool of PD engines than North America by the way).
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BobFout
I think in North America the use of the wrong 5W-30 oil in PD engines (sold new in 2004-2006) by mostly VW dealers gave a bad reputation to all 5W-30 oils regardless of VW specs. Once VW 507 oils came to the US for the common rail engines starting around 2009 then no PD owners would use them because of being 5W-30 even though according to VW specifications 507 oils are backward compatible to VW 505.01 (search for the term 'Radionuclid Wear Measurement' of 505.01 vs 507).
I signed up to a couple of VW/Audi forums in Europe to ask the question of weather using a VW 507 oil in a Pumpe Duse engine has lead to premature cam failures and I could not find an evidence (Europe also has a much bigger pool of PD engines than North America by the way).
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BobFout
edyvw said:
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