Sump Capacity on VW's 1.8T and 2.0T TSI Engines

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Originally Posted By: SandCastle
The capacities vary by model, engine, and displacement. I suspect the differences in some cases are not real, just the result of sloppiness in the specs. According to VW.COM the sump capacities for the 2016 models are as follows: Jetta S (1.4T)=4.76 qt, SEL (1.8T)=6.76 qt, GLI SE (2.0T)=6.8 qt, BUT for the CC (2.0T)= 4.4 qt, and Tiguan S (2.0T)=4.8 qt. If your 2.0T holds 6.x quarts, then 10K oil changes could be reasonable, but with 4.x qts, a 5K OCI may be more prudent. Perhaps VW will eventually enlarge the CC's and Tiguan's capacities as well to provide more safety margin for the 10K OCI.


To make things more confusing, the Golf/GTI, which their 1.8T and 2.0T have different engine codes than the Jetta/GLI 1.8T & 2.0T, have 6.97 qt sumps. Also with 6.97 qts is the Golf R motor.

Jetta/Passat 1.8T = CPKA & CPRA
GLI = CPPA & CPLA
Golf 1.8T = CXBB & CNSA & CNSB
GTI = CXCA & CXCB
Golf R = CYFB
 
Usually when VAG dream something up, it's probably a bad idea. They're trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear when it comes to their engines at the moment. The larger sump is probably to do with drain interval extension.
 
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Originally Posted By: riggaz
Usually when VAG dream something up, it's probably a bad idea. They're trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear when it comes to their engines at the moment. The larger sump is probably to do with drain interval extension.


the US/Canada market doesn't use Flex intervals. The OCI is unchanged, still 10,000 miles.
 
Originally Posted By: SandCastle
Originally Posted By: edyvw

....Also, as owner of one 2.0T engine and previous owner of another 2.0TSI engine, I can tell you change oil every 5K and use Castrol 0W40 or Mobil1 0W40.
10K interval by VW is laughable in that engine!


The 10K could be quite reasonable for the Gen 3 engine for two reasons: 1) the larger oil capacity, and 2) this engine has a coolant after-run pump that should mitigate the turbo heat soak problem after shut down. So no more "turbo-turds" polluting the crankcase and plugging up the oil inlet screen, as on the original 1.8T.

BTW, my 2015 Jetta reports the oil temperature on the MFD, and it typically peaks around 190F -- a tolerable temperature for oil.

Point taken, but t my concern is fuel dilution (should be resolved by now, but still you will have some) and with that TBN retention.
 
Originally Posted By: mkosem
That'd be a 2nd gen TSI.


Transverse 2.0T's never got the 2nd gen ea888. Only the first gen, and then the 3rd gen.

Longitudinal 2.oT's did get all 3 generations so far.

(US/Canada market).
 
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Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: mkosem
That'd be a 2nd gen TSI.


Transverse 2.0T's never got the 2nd gen ea888. Only the first gen, and then the 3rd gen.

Longitudinal 2.oT's did get all 3 generations so far.

(US/Canada market).

How is that 2010 models have much lower fuel content in oil then previous years? 2.0TFSI engines in 2005-2009 had alway huge content of fuel, alter year much lower.
 
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: SandCastle
The capacities vary by model, engine, and displacement. I suspect the differences in some cases are not real, just the result of sloppiness in the specs. According to VW.COM the sump capacities for the 2016 models are as follows: Jetta S (1.4T)=4.76 qt, SEL (1.8T)=6.76 qt, GLI SE (2.0T)=6.8 qt, BUT for the CC (2.0T)= 4.4 qt, and Tiguan S (2.0T)=4.8 qt. If your 2.0T holds 6.x quarts, then 10K oil changes could be reasonable, but with 4.x qts, a 5K OCI may be more prudent. Perhaps VW will eventually enlarge the CC's and Tiguan's capacities as well to provide more safety margin for the 10K OCI.


To make things more confusing, the Golf/GTI, which their 1.8T and 2.0T have different engine codes than the Jetta/GLI 1.8T & 2.0T, have 6.97 qt sumps. Also with 6.97 qts is the Golf R motor.

Jetta/Passat 1.8T = CPKA & CPRA
GLI = CPPA & CPLA
Golf 1.8T = CXBB & CNSA & CNSB
GTI = CXCA & CXCB
Golf R = CYFB


What's the difference between some of the engine codes for the same model like CXCA and CXCB?
 
Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: SandCastle
The capacities vary by model, engine, and displacement. I suspect the differences in some cases are not real, just the result of sloppiness in the specs. According to VW.COM the sump capacities for the 2016 models are as follows: Jetta S (1.4T)=4.76 qt, SEL (1.8T)=6.76 qt, GLI SE (2.0T)=6.8 qt, BUT for the CC (2.0T)= 4.4 qt, and Tiguan S (2.0T)=4.8 qt. If your 2.0T holds 6.x quarts, then 10K oil changes could be reasonable, but with 4.x qts, a 5K OCI may be more prudent. Perhaps VW will eventually enlarge the CC's and Tiguan's capacities as well to provide more safety margin for the 10K OCI.


To make things more confusing, the Golf/GTI, which their 1.8T and 2.0T have different engine codes than the Jetta/GLI 1.8T & 2.0T, have 6.97 qt sumps. Also with 6.97 qts is the Golf R motor.

Jetta/Passat 1.8T = CPKA & CPRA
GLI = CPPA & CPLA
Golf 1.8T = CXBB & CNSA & CNSB
GTI = CXCA & CXCB
Golf R = CYFB


What's the difference between some of the engine codes for the same model like CXCA and CXCB?


Probably Federal emissions standard vs CARB emissions.
on the older 1st gen ea888's, the CCTA was Federal (49-state) emissions and CBFA was CARB. There were some differences such as the CBFA getting the secondary air injection system and 3 oxygen sensors (vs 2 on the CCTA).

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: mkosem
That'd be a 2nd gen TSI.


Transverse 2.0T's never got the 2nd gen ea888. Only the first gen, and then the 3rd gen.

Longitudinal 2.oT's did get all 3 generations so far.

(US/Canada market).

How is that 2010 models have much lower fuel content in oil then previous years? 2.0TFSI engines in 2005-2009 had alway huge content of fuel, alter year much lower.


2005-2009 had a different architecture engine. It has the EA113 motor (which the MK6 Golf R also has)
 
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: SandCastle
The capacities vary by model, engine, and displacement. I suspect the differences in some cases are not real, just the result of sloppiness in the specs. According to VW.COM the sump capacities for the 2016 models are as follows: Jetta S (1.4T)=4.76 qt, SEL (1.8T)=6.76 qt, GLI SE (2.0T)=6.8 qt, BUT for the CC (2.0T)= 4.4 qt, and Tiguan S (2.0T)=4.8 qt. If your 2.0T holds 6.x quarts, then 10K oil changes could be reasonable, but with 4.x qts, a 5K OCI may be more prudent. Perhaps VW will eventually enlarge the CC's and Tiguan's capacities as well to provide more safety margin for the 10K OCI.


To make things more confusing, the Golf/GTI, which their 1.8T and 2.0T have different engine codes than the Jetta/GLI 1.8T & 2.0T, have 6.97 qt sumps. Also with 6.97 qts is the Golf R motor.

Jetta/Passat 1.8T = CPKA & CPRA
GLI = CPPA & CPLA
Golf 1.8T = CXBB & CNSA & CNSB
GTI = CXCA & CXCB
Golf R = CYFB


What's the difference between some of the engine codes for the same model like CXCA and CXCB?


Probably Federal emissions standard vs CARB emissions.
on the older 1st gen ea888's, the CCTA was Federal (49-state) emissions and CBFA was CARB. There were some differences such as the CBFA getting the secondary air injection system and 3 oxygen sensors (vs 2 on the CCTA).

Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: mkosem
That'd be a 2nd gen TSI.


Transverse 2.0T's never got the 2nd gen ea888. Only the first gen, and then the 3rd gen.

Longitudinal 2.oT's did get all 3 generations so far.

(US/Canada market).

How is that 2010 models have much lower fuel content in oil then previous years? 2.0TFSI engines in 2005-2009 had alway huge content of fuel, alter year much lower.


2005-2009 had a different architecture engine. It has the EA113 motor (which the MK6 Golf R also has)

Right, forgot that one had different designation.
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw

Right, forgot that one had different designation.


That's why I don't go by badges, ie TSI vs FSI vs TFSI.

Audi uses the TFSI badge on their engines, including TSI engines.

But, VW used the TSI badge prior to 2008.5. It was on the MK5 Golf GT (back in 2005), with the 1.4L TSI engine, which was not a ea888 motor. This engine had both a supercharger and turbocharger, so the "T" was for Twin-charged

Likewise, the Golf R, gets a TSI badge on the engine cover, despite being a FSI motor.

An analogy is 4Motion vs Quattro.
People commonly think all Quattro is Torsen based and all 4Motion is Haldex based. It's just badge
 
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: edyvw

Right, forgot that one had different designation.


That's why I don't go by badges, ie TSI vs FSI vs TFSI.

Audi uses the TFSI badge on their engines, including TSI engines.

But, VW used the TSI badge prior to 2008.5. It was on the MK5 Golf GT (back in 2005), with the 1.4L TSI engine, which was not a ea888 motor. This engine had both a supercharger and turbocharger, so the "T" was for Twin-charged

Likewise, the Golf R, gets a TSI badge on the engine cover, despite being a FSI motor.

An analogy is 4Motion vs Quattro.
People commonly think all Quattro is Torsen based and all 4Motion is Haldex based. It's just badge

Yeah,yeah, I know. I forgot that engine had completely different architecture.
 
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