Hot Shot Secret Friction Reducer

[xtell]

Anyone out there ever use Hot Shots Secret Friction Reducer? According the the company they claim that this additive: is Pure Ester with negative polarity, it increases fluid flow in power steering and hydraulic systems, eliminates metal to metal contact, makes your engine run cooler, can be added to 2-cycle oil / fuel mixes and can be added to gear oil and automatic transmission fluid (and the benefit list goes on and on).

xtell

 

[Ramblejam]

http://www.hotshotsecret.com/shop/friction-reducer/

They're really running with the polarity of ester molecules...

There's a difference between theoretical benefit and what's of significance and value in the real world.

If you believe what they're selling, fully-formulated products are readily available: http://www.redlineoil.com/

 

[Yah-Tah-Hey]

Flim flams come and go but the suckers we always have with us.

 

[lubricatosaurus]

It COULD work. Not necessarily. It depends on if there is too much polarity. There was a Tribology & Lubrication Technology September 2009 article that put it this way:
Polarity of the polymeric ester is very important to
ensure that an effective film is produced with the ZDDP.
Randles explains, “If the polymeric ester is too polar, it
may interfere with the formation of the hard polyphosphate
film and result in an increase in wear. It is therefore
important to ensure that the polarity of the lubricity
agent is optimized to sit on top of the ZDDP rather than
underneath it.”

Combine the "maybe it will work" thought with what Joe90_guy, an actual oil formulator, ( see posts http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/userposts/id/70880 ) said about how sometimes imposed cost limits (simple economics) prevent many motor oils from putting enough polar esters in the formula for FULL benefit, and you can see how adding more polar esters could actually have a beneficial effect. Motor oil is formulated to barely pass a target set of specs only, not to offer the consumer any more, in most cases. So more polar esters can help, yet we don't know when they could benefit us.

 

[xtell]

The say that their negatively charged Esters cling to the positively charged metals in engines, transmissions, etc. How do the Esters become negatively charged? And, why / how are engine metals positively charged?

 

[Jetronic]

esters have an alcohol on one end, and a carbon chain on the other, that's where the charge comes from.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
Motor oil is formulated to barely pass a target set of specs only, not to offer the consumer any more, in most cases. So more polar esters can help, yet we don't know when they could benefit us.


And I will repat what Solarent ( a real formulator ) said about formulating:

Originally Posted By: Solarent
There are lots of reasons why a formulator or oil marketer would choose to use different VII/VM packages - sometimes it's a performance requirement, sometimes its for reduced manufacturing complexity, sometimes its price. When you think about all the little details that go on to get to that final formula just right - you can probably see why formulators get annoyed when internet gurus and aftermarket companies thinks it's ok to mix in their own "special ingredients" as a way to improve on the formula - especially when there is no standardized testing involved.


It matters not whether we are discussing VII's or other additives or base oils.

Unless you know what you're doing with an OTC additive, you're floundering in the dark and bumping into things.