VW emissions cheating additional 75,000 3L engines

[HTSS_TR]

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The EPA and California Air Resources Board on Nov. 2 accused VW of evading emissions in at least 10,000 Audi, Porsche and VW sport utility vehicles and cars with 3.0-liter V-6 diesel engines. VW initially denied the findings.

During a meeting on Thursday, VW and Audi officials told the EPA that the issues extend to all 3.0-liter diesel engines from model years 2009 through 2016. The new disclosure covers a total of 85,000 vehicles, the EPA said.

California Air Resources Board spokesman Dave Clegern said Audi admitted that the vehicles had auxiliary emissions control equipment that was not disclosed to the U.S. government.


https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/vw-emissions-issue-extends-additional-191432155.html

 

[supton]

VW just keeps on having fun...

I liked this from the article:

Quote:
The cost of reflashing the software is relatively minor, in the “double digits millions of euros,” he added.


Cheap money. At least compared to the rest of the scandal.

 

[KGMtech]

VW must have given in on this one, they could not see an upside in arguing with EPA.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: KGMtech
VW must have given in on this one, they could not see an upside in arguing with EPA.

There is nothing to argue about. VW was clearly ignore emission regulations, they knew that such cheating devices were not comply with regulation but they installed it anyway, and they just hoped that nobody will find out.

 

[Nate1979]

Are there any diesel cars that VW DIDN'T cheat on?

 

[SwampSurvivor]

And instead, they produced a vehicle THAT USED LESS FUEL

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: Miller88
And instead, they produced a vehicle THAT USED LESS FUEL


And if they hadn't of cheated, they could have done both but decided to be greedy and break the law.

 

[The motor guy]

Not too many VW owners will be getting that reflash. lol

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: Miller88
And instead, they produced a vehicle THAT USED LESS FUEL


And if they hadn't of cheated, they could have done both but decided to be greedy and break the law.


And made the car significantly more complicated and more expensive for the end user. The EPA is out of control

 

[Brons2]

The EPA is not out of control. The car culture in this country is out of control. Energy consumption is out of control. We have 6% of the world's population and consume 25% of the energy. It's not right.

One of the things I like about this site is that it teaches people to get maximum value out of your oil and not be wasteful...

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: Miller88
And instead, they produced a vehicle THAT USED LESS FUEL


And if they hadn't of cheated, they could have done both but decided to be greedy and break the law.


And made the car significantly more complicated and more expensive for the end user. The EPA is out of control


Other manufacturers have solved the issue and no not significantly more complicated. Adding DEF is a minor detail unless the VW engineers are incompetent.

 

[sciphi]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: Miller88
And instead, they produced a vehicle THAT USED LESS FUEL


And if they hadn't of cheated, they could have done both but decided to be greedy and break the law.


And made the car significantly more complicated and more expensive for the end user. The EPA is out of control


Other manufacturers have solved the issue and no not significantly more complicated. Adding DEF is a minor detail unless the VW engineers are incompetent.


DEF is another fluid for proudly ignorant drivers to forget about checking regularly. So VW rigged their cars to not need it and hope nobody notices. Someone noticed, much to their chagrin.

Besides, the diesel car crowd tends to be more of enthusiasts than not. So needing to top off the DEF every oil change wouldn't be that big of a deal to the owners. And they could have had debated about which DEF makes their cars run better.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Other manufacturers have solved the issue

Let's wait and see after EPA has had a chance to analyze in detail those other manufacturers as well.

 

[Joe90_guy]

I read that while the US represents just 6% of the world population it makes up 34% of the entire weight of human biomass!

So maybe they need all that extra energy to haul all that flab around. Sounds logical.

 

[sciphi]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Other manufacturers have solved the issue

Let's wait and see after EPA has had a chance to analyze in detail those other manufacturers as well.


They've started to. Publicly, the other OEM's are confident. We'll see how it shakes out.

 

[Jetronic]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Are there any diesel cars that VW DIDN'T cheat on?


they cheated with the petrols aswell... so far the only engines not affected seem to be the Lamborghini engines...

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Other manufacturers have solved the issue

Let's wait and see after EPA has had a chance to analyze in detail those other manufacturers as well.


Exactly. There could be more mfgs. to follow.

 

[Ratchetgrinder]

Originally Posted By: Jetronic
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Are there any diesel cars that VW DIDN'T cheat on?


they cheated with the petrols aswell... so far the only engines not affected seem to be the Lamborghini engines...


I always wondered how much the Lambo power plants shared with other VW parts bin engines.

I would imagine Bugatti didn't need to fool anyone, either.

At least VW knows EPA stuff is bupkis..

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: Brons2
The EPA is not out of control. The car culture in this country is out of control. Energy consumption is out of control. We have 6% of the world's population and consume 25% of the energy. It's not right.

One of the things I like about this site is that it teaches people to get maximum value out of your oil and not be wasteful...


So, when do you dispose of your wasteful vehicles, move into a 300 square foot studio apartment, and walk everywhere? Do you heat your house to more than 60 degrees? Do you use more than 90 seconds of hot water to shower? Do you air condition your house?

Hypocrite.

 

[TiredTrucker]

Originally Posted By: Brons2
The EPA is not out of control. The car culture in this country is out of control. Energy consumption is out of control. We have 6% of the world's population and consume 25% of the energy. It's not right.

One of the things I like about this site is that it teaches people to get maximum value out of your oil and not be wasteful...


So you are saying that we should reach the lowest common denominator? Kinda like dos to the people in the world live on less than $10 a day so now we here should only get that much and have to live on that much? Things are not out of control. We do use more energy resources than other areas of the world, but not like it has just been wasted. We have the one of the best living conditions because of it. And there is no shortage of fuel or energy except as the government has restricted things.

If you want to go back to horse and buggies, having to track down and chop your own wood for heat and cooking (which pollutes even more), and want to live a subsistence lifestyle, then go for it. Find an Amish community and enjoy.