JHZR2
Staff member
The OLM on the odyssey was at 15%, and then dropped to 10, so at a bit over 5000 miles, it was time to change. As this was the first change I wanted to do oil and filter so the filter was free of any break in products.
I recall the hassle of doing oil changes on our 94 integra, particularly the oil filter oriented on the far back side of the engine and lined up so the oil spilled everywhere. I thought with the van being bigger and higher, it would be easier. Yeah, sort of. But it was a pain. Keep in mind I'm used to Euro vehicles with accessible drain plugs and cartridge filters up top to easily pull out and cleanly change.
First was the drain plug. Pointed backwards, next to a hot exhaust pipe, without a lot of room to move or work. So holding a catch pan up, while pulling the plug backwards was a pain, and some oil missed the pan and made a stain on the asphalt that I recently seal coated. Boo. The plug also fell into the hot oil in the catch pan.
The filter I thought was in a good spot. Until I realized that with its location and access, a van up on ramps couldn't well position a catch pan, especially if you've got another in place to let the sump drain. The location is OK of it were up in a hoist I guess.
When the filter is pulled, it rains oil all over that unibody subframe member instead of a clean drop, making things worse. I will be using a Fram ultra and changing every other OCI per Honda's recommendations. 10k won't be a big deal. It makes this a bit less of a hassle.
And to get the filter off... OE filter from the factory. OE filter removal tool. Put one on the other, it just spins! No grip. Try it on my Fram ultra? Doesn't fit because it's too tight. Had to use the grabber type to get it off. Really Honda?!?!?
And in the end, it's a bit disconcerting that this is all the oil we recovered, besides the decent but not a quart-worth of oil that we spilled...
Since we've checked it regularly and didn't note low oil or consumption. The filter holds 0.3 qt but the engine took 4.5 in like the manual states. So it's odd and concerning to me.
I did change to a gold plug, model AP-02, which the company owner recommended. It's smaller than the OE plug, FWIW. I don't think they have a 17mm hex that's longer.
But it's a quality piece, very nice.
Pre filled the filter, no issues.
Note the OE baseplate and internal valve similarity, though the gasket differs.
This is a PF52 equivalent I had in the pan. Tiny holes!!
The other gripe I had was that this is a van with a good deal of underhood space. Yet look straight on with it on ramps, where's the oil filler?
Hidden.
You have to finagle a funnel in there, and no chance of filling from a 5qt jug without one. Awkward.
I forgot how I dislike some maintenance jobs on Hondas, and how I dislike V type engines. Nothing terrible, just some awkward design approaches that add a bit of hassle. And no topside cartridge filter.
Hope the Accord will be marginally less hassling...
I recall the hassle of doing oil changes on our 94 integra, particularly the oil filter oriented on the far back side of the engine and lined up so the oil spilled everywhere. I thought with the van being bigger and higher, it would be easier. Yeah, sort of. But it was a pain. Keep in mind I'm used to Euro vehicles with accessible drain plugs and cartridge filters up top to easily pull out and cleanly change.
First was the drain plug. Pointed backwards, next to a hot exhaust pipe, without a lot of room to move or work. So holding a catch pan up, while pulling the plug backwards was a pain, and some oil missed the pan and made a stain on the asphalt that I recently seal coated. Boo. The plug also fell into the hot oil in the catch pan.
The filter I thought was in a good spot. Until I realized that with its location and access, a van up on ramps couldn't well position a catch pan, especially if you've got another in place to let the sump drain. The location is OK of it were up in a hoist I guess.
When the filter is pulled, it rains oil all over that unibody subframe member instead of a clean drop, making things worse. I will be using a Fram ultra and changing every other OCI per Honda's recommendations. 10k won't be a big deal. It makes this a bit less of a hassle.
And to get the filter off... OE filter from the factory. OE filter removal tool. Put one on the other, it just spins! No grip. Try it on my Fram ultra? Doesn't fit because it's too tight. Had to use the grabber type to get it off. Really Honda?!?!?
And in the end, it's a bit disconcerting that this is all the oil we recovered, besides the decent but not a quart-worth of oil that we spilled...
Since we've checked it regularly and didn't note low oil or consumption. The filter holds 0.3 qt but the engine took 4.5 in like the manual states. So it's odd and concerning to me.
I did change to a gold plug, model AP-02, which the company owner recommended. It's smaller than the OE plug, FWIW. I don't think they have a 17mm hex that's longer.
But it's a quality piece, very nice.
Pre filled the filter, no issues.
Note the OE baseplate and internal valve similarity, though the gasket differs.
This is a PF52 equivalent I had in the pan. Tiny holes!!
The other gripe I had was that this is a van with a good deal of underhood space. Yet look straight on with it on ramps, where's the oil filler?
Hidden.
You have to finagle a funnel in there, and no chance of filling from a 5qt jug without one. Awkward.
I forgot how I dislike some maintenance jobs on Hondas, and how I dislike V type engines. Nothing terrible, just some awkward design approaches that add a bit of hassle. And no topside cartridge filter.
Hope the Accord will be marginally less hassling...
