2005 Acura MDX Valve Adjustment (lots of pics!)

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I spent a very pleasant morning today adjusting the valves on my wife’s 2005 Acura MDX. The service was due at 105,000, along with new spark plugs and a new timing belt. I intended to spread these three services out some, and did the new plugs at about 90,000 miles, did the timing belt just shy of 100,000 miles…but…never could seem to find time for the valve adjustment job. I’m just now getting around to it, at 128,000 miles. Fortunately, the valve lash was still fine (more on that in a minute).

The upper intake plenum is a single cast aluminum unit, with a removable top cover that allows access to the fastening bolts and to the central chamber butterfly valve (which opens at 3,600 rpm to equalize the two plenum halves). It also delivers EGR to the engine, passed up from the lower intake manifold and delivered to each plenum half by an EGR pipe in the smaller top plenum chamber (the chamber nearest the throat of the plenum). There’s also a mass damper fastened to the bottom side of the plenum throat.

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The upper plenum sits atop an aluminum spacer on the 3.5L engines destined for Honda’s vans and SUVs. This spacer lengthens the intake runners and adds low- and mid-range power to the curve. This is a somewhat common addition that owners of TLs and Accords make – those engines lack the spacer from the factory.

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The seals are very high quality 3-layer metal seals that are reusable.

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Interestingly, the lower intake manifold is actually two pieces – and bolts to the engine in halves. The small passage on the right side of the pictures next to the #6 intake passage is the EGR passage. Intake gasses are moving DOWN through the system in the first six passages and EGR gasses are moving UP through the system in that seventh passage.

Keihin is a fuel systems supplier to Honda, and their emblem or label is adorned on the fuel rails and on the upper intake plenum. Keihin is also the carburetor supplier for Honda on their small engines (found on equipment like lawn mowers and pressure washers).

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In the picture above, you can begin to make out the fuel injector spray pattern – by the lack of deposits on the intake passages downstream of the fuel injector. As an aside, I have really begun to enjoy doing maintenance work like this, because I learn something about my vehicle or about engines in general every time I do it. This really drives home for me the challenge engineers face with direct injection, where fuel is injected directly into the combustion chamber and not into the intake manifold or cylinder head. I’ve heard of “deposit buildup” and the need for more frequent valve cleaning on some of those designs, and this engine has very clearly demonstrated that potential challenge faced by powertrain engineers.

The pictures below are a close-up of one of the intake passages. It’s incredibly clear where the fuel sprays – and where it doesn’t! Look at how clean the tops of those intake valves are.

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Everyone likes valvetrain pictures, right? I don’t have great ones here – if you want to see a Honda J-series valvetrain, there are a ton of pictures on the internet. But this is what this engine looks like. This oil, which is Peak Synthetic 0W-20, has about 3,000 miles on it. As you might expect from a transverse mounted V-6 engine, the front cylinder bank has a little more discoloration and varnish than the rear cylinder bank – the front bank gets that hot air blast from the radiator fans. This engine has had pretty consistent oil changes every 5,000 miles since new, and with everything from conventional Super Tech to synthetic Mobil 1.

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Okay, to the real work – adjusting the valves. The hardest part of the entire job was getting the rear cylinder head cover off the engine from underneath that recalcitrant wiring harness draped across it. The front cover was easier to wiggle off the engine, but the rear one was a challenge. It took me about 5 minutes of fiddling with it to get it out. Once I had access to all the valves, the job was a breeze.

The spec is 0.22mm +/- 0.02mm for the intake valves and 0.30mm +/- 0.02mm for the exhaust valves. That converts roughly to 0.009” and 0.012” respectively. I found all of the intake valves to be either perfect or ever so slightly loose, so I didn’t touch ‘em…any of ‘em. The exhaust valves were all tight, and I expected this. I expected worse, though. The engine was silent like a church mouse, and I was afraid that the valves were…too…quiet. The exhaust valves were pretty consistently dragging about 0.009”, just like the intakes. They need to be 0.012”, so I re-set all of them. I don’t have the special Honda valve adjustment tool, and I find the screwdriver-and-wrench method sort of awkward, especially when you’re reaching across an engine of an SUV (with a taller front fascia).

I found the best method was to crack the lock nuts loose with a 10mm socket, and turn the adjustment screw with my finger and thumb until it just barely trapped the feeler gauge against the top of the valve. I’d then turn the lock nut until first contact, then cinch it down with the 10mm socket. This worked well – it turned the adjustment screw a little tighter and locked the whole works in one motion. The 0.012” feeler gauge would have just a little drag as I moved it. I feel that there’s plenty of room for error here, especially erring on the loose side. They’ll tend to get tight over time, and there’s still plenty of tolerance – anything from 0.010” to 0.014” is okay according to Honda. I actually might have been able to squeeze a 0.010” gauge through many of the exhaust valve gaps before I started, and they’d have barely been within spec. My only concern was making sure the lash wasn’t closed on any of them, and that was far from happening – great news.

Tools used were few – Honda engines are just so easy to service. All I needed was a 10mm socket (which took care of most of it), a 12mm socket (for the intake manifold and throttle body fasteners), a 6mm hex cap screw socket (for the coil pack cap screws), the two feeler gauge sizes, various ratchets and extensions, and pliers for the various vacuum hose clamps. I didn’t replace a single part or gasket during this job. The cylinder head cover seals are very pliable rubber seals – both on the perimeter and sealing the spark plug tubes. No replacement necessary. Likewise, the intake manifold spacer and plenum seals are 3-layer metal seals and it’s just not necessary to replace those. As I was after the timing belt job, I came away very impressed with the quality of material and design, here. Not once did I try to access a fastener to say, “well, THAT’s dumb – I can’t even get to it!” Not once did I break a cheap plastic clip or tear a vacuum line – the clips are durable and many of the “rubber” lines I had to touch are actually silicone in material – and seem to last forever.

Start-to-finish, it took about four working hours. It was a pleasant and enjoyable four hours. I learned a lot about the engine’s design and construction and gained an appreciation for how a lot of this stuff works. I put it all back together and it runs smooth and silent, just like it did before I started.

I look forward to doing all three services at once on our 2009 Ridgeline in the spring – it’s got 99,8xx miles at the moment, and I’ll schedule the plugs, the timing belt, and the valve adjustment for a fair weather Saturday in the spring some time. Parts for the whole service total about $500 from a discount Honda dealer online, and it’s a $1,500-2,000 job if you have a Honda dealer do all three.

Or a very relaxing Saturday out in the garage!
 
Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm curious- Why did you decide to tackle this job if your engine was already quiet beforehand?
 
Mclasser, actually these type of valves get quieter as they go out of adjustment, especially when the exhaust valves become to tight.
 
Mclasser, actually these type of valves get quieter as they go out of adjustment, especially when the exhaust valves become to tight.
 
Very nice writeup and excellent photos. The valve stems and top of your valves look really clean. The interior and exterior of your engine look great!!!
 
Nice work, great looking vehicle and very well maintained.
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This writeup is a perfect example that wrenching on modern, computer driven everything cars is not as scary as many make it out to be. Not when you plan ahead, do some research on the internet and take the time to do it right.
Also the self satisfaction and the savings are pretty hard to beat.
 
I love the pictures of the intake passages and valves, very clean! Do you normally use top tier fuels or fuel cleaners like Techron or Gumout. Curious to see if the TT fuel thing is legit.
 
Thanks, all. Yes, on these engines, the exhaust valve lash tends to tighten up over time. I'm not completely sure of the mechanism behind it, but I've read that the exhaust valve seats recess just a little bit with age, so the exhaust valves close higher up in the head. The rocker arm pivot, however, doesn't move relative to the head, so your exhaust valve lash tends to tighten up. If it tightens up SO much that the valve never really closes, and you don't have that slight "tap" that the valve lash produces, you could end up with an engine that was (quietly) burning its valves. Fortunately, that is not the case with this one -- it's apparently just a quiet engine.

And, yes, no shims here. Honda uses a valve lash adjustment screw with a lock nut. Simply loosen the lock nut, set the valve lash on the cylinder that is at top dead center, tighten the nut, rotate the engine, and move to the next cylinder in the firing order. Here's a line drawing of the valve lash system on an older Accord, one with a sliding tappet, courtesy of AutoZone.com:

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The J-series V-6 has the exact same concept, here, but has a full roller follower valvetrain.

I wasn't going to mention the fuel, but because you asked...I have an unjustifiable affinity to Shell products. I tend to prefer Pennzoil oils and I tend to prefer using Shell gas. I think the oil came about from many years ago when PYB was the "hot" oil on this board (and is still highly regarded), and from when I had my 2011 Camry that seemed sensitive to the gas I used, and it ran best on Shell. So, the fuel used is predominantly Shell premium (new, with Nitro cleaners, or whatever they have in it now!). I never use fuel cleaner additives you pour into the tank. What you see is a product of predominantly Shell fuel over the last 70,000 miles that we've owned it.
 
Awesome write up Jason, I assumed that all solid lifters had shims, I believe my Toyota's use shims. I like Honda's idea, Nissan also uses or used solid lifters as well.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I wasn't going to mention the fuel, but because you asked...I have an unjustifiable affinity to Shell products. I tend to prefer Pennzoil oils and I tend to prefer using Shell gas. I think the oil came about from many years ago when PYB was the "hot" oil on this board (and is still highly regarded), and from when I had my 2011 Camry that seemed sensitive to the gas I used, and it ran best on Shell. So, the fuel used is predominantly Shell premium (new, with Nitro cleaners, or whatever they have in it now!). I never use fuel cleaner additives you pour into the tank. What you see is a product of predominantly Shell fuel over the last 70,000 miles that we've owned it.


I've noticed the same thing with the Matrix. Tried BP which is also TT but doesn't seem as peppy compared to Shell.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Thanks, all. Yes, on these engines, the exhaust valve lash tends to tighten up over time. I'm not completely sure of the mechanism behind it, but I've read that the exhaust valve seats recess just a little bit with age, so the exhaust valves close higher up in the head. The rocker arm pivot, however, doesn't move relative to the head, so your exhaust valve lash tends to tighten up. ....

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As the cam follower surface wears, it increases valve lash +, as a counter to increased wear on the valve seats decreases (tightens) valve lash -. That accounts for your great results after 100k miles, wear was about equal, not quite though of course.

I used to think Honda was dumb for not giving us hydraulic valve lash adjusters, but this "equal wear hopefully" mechanism isn't too bad.
 
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
I used to think Honda was dumb for not giving us hydraulic valve lash adjusters, but this "equal wear hopefully" mechanism isn't too bad.


Honda was smart using mechanical adjusters from their standpoint, there is no valid reason not to use hydraulics in these engines.
The are creating service work, nothing more or less. The "equal wear mechanism" is the same as any other with mechanical adjusters, nothing unique to Honda.

Once the engines redline goes over 7500 there is some value in mechanicals. Honda themselves used hydraulics on the CB Seven Fifty back in 93 with a redline of 7500 and they were problem free.
That was on an air cooled aluminum head at that where the clearance variation would be far greater than an aluminum head with a water jacket.
 
Both types of valvetrains have their own advantages and drawbacks. After owning a few engines with hydraulic lash adjusters that I couldn't quiet down (because the lifters were down in the block), one as recent as a 2007 pushrod V-6 in a minivan, I've come to favor the durability of solid followers.
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Keeping the engine relatively clean is important with hydraulics no doubt about it. Durability wise its like anything else, it depends on the design used and the quality of the part. I have seen mechanical adjuster cause problems also.
 
Nissan and Toyota also used solid lifters , my 2001 Sentra had solid lifters and afaik they weren't touched on 250,000 miles.
 
Jason,

I hope you would buy an Audi soon. I would love to hear your comparison of doing regular maintenance on an Audi vs an Acura. No swear words allowed!
 
Originally Posted By: zach1900
my 2001 Sentra had solid lifters and afaik they weren't touched on 250,000 miles.


The 2001 SRT20 had roller rockers with hydraulic lash adjusters just like a Ford Modular.
 
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