Just a little info, I had a customer on Friday that has a Honda and needed a timing belt because he has 120,000 on the original one.. So he wanted one directly from Honda because he asked us what we use and i told him a/c delco or oem.. So i got one from Honda and paid more of course and both belts were the exact same and both had the name gates on them just one cost less. It seems Gates makes most of the belts and water pumps we use.. My distributor sells mostly a/c delco timing belts and we have not had any problems probably because they are rebadged gates.