RedLine 5w40 Euro

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Howdy hoo! This is this oil:

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=144&pcid=21

Wanted to get a VOA on it, as I was honestly unable to find a true VOA of this; I know a 0w40 and 5w40 exist out there.

http://wedontlikeu.com/car/VOA/RedLine Euro 5w40.jpg

Euro:

ALUMINUM 0
CHROMIUM 0
IRON 1
COPPER 1
LEAD 0
TIN 0
MOLYBDENUM 114
NICKEL 0
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 0
BORON 5
SILICON 6
SODIUM 3
CALCIUM 1869
MAGNESIUM 8
PHOSPHORUS 743
ZINC 833
BARIUM 0

INSOLUBLES TR
WATER 0
FLASHPOINT ºF 455
cSt @ 212ºF 15.01


Here's the "non Euro" 5w40:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3735582/1

Non Euro:

ALUMINUM 1
CHROMIUM 0
IRON 1
COPPER 1
LEAD 0
TIN 0
MOLYBDENUM 566
NICKEL 0
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 5
BORON 111
SILICON 14
SODIUM 14
CALCIUM 2719
MAGNESIUM 9
PHOSPHORUS 1090
ZINC 1181
BARIUM 0

INSOLUBLES TR
WATER 0
FLASHPOINT ºF 440
SUS VIS 210ºF 77.1
cSt @ 212ºF 14.8
 
The non Euro formulation seems a little stouter. More Zinc, Phosphorus, Boron, Calcium and Moly.
 
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
What are you running it in?


2015 WRX (non STI), which is basically a hot running little turbo that also has bad fuel dilution. The Aristocrats!

There's a 2000 post thread on oil selection here, as oil threads tend to grow to:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2657990

And I actually went ahead and started tracking UOAs/VOAs in a spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15axNf04S9hatJ497qHD6H8UPCZrkqzcSbjcQatGl9Cg/pubhtml

I'm honestly surprised the additives are that much lower than the normal 5w40. I assume I'll be having to walnut blast my car at some point, so the "lower SAPness" of this oil isn't really a huge gain in my opinion; I mostly wanted to get it for the VOA.
 
Originally Posted By: Brons2
Vis, flashpoint higher on Euro version, maybe better base oil involved?


Redline actually specs out the oils the other way around:

5w40: Viscosity @ 100 15.6
5w40 Euro: Viscosity @ 100 15.2

I'm guessing the variance is small enough we might still be within the margin of error on the analysis side, or just simple variance from batch to batch.
 
I often wonder if more stout additive packages can potentially decrease flashpoint. For example, most low saps vw507 spec oils have extremely high flash points with notably lower standard additive packages as detected by black stone. I think Redline uses equivalent base stocks throughout and differences are additive packages.
 
Originally Posted By: spiderbypass
I think Red Line uses equivalent base stocks throughout and differences are additive packages.


Why would they do otherwise?
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The cater to the low-saps niche with a euro 5w40. But, they ignore the mainstream API SN/GF5 market. I wonder who does their product marketing research!
 
Originally Posted By: Greasymechtech
The cater to the low-saps niche with a euro 5w40. But, they ignore the mainstream API SN/GF5 market.

The SN/GF-5 market is awash with product.
 
I just noticed Redline has updated safety data sheets where they separate the European oils from the regular redline synthetic oils. I am the opposite of a chemist but it looks like regular redline synthetic oils use 20-60 percent pao base stocks with less that 75 hazardous materials. The European oils did not reference pao base stock but listed less than 99 hazardous materials. Someone with more chemical background might get more useful information.
 
You have to really be cautious about the MSD sheets. They really don't have to say anything concrete about the base stocks themselves. "Refined petroleum" gives all the information that any shipper or emergency responder will ever need. One may find something useful on some sheets, but there is a lot of "garbage" there, in, at least, that it doesn't tell you much. An overturned tanker of Red Line, Amsoil SS, or PYB is going to be handled in the same way, and shipped the same way in the first place.

Heck, some list virtually nothing for hazardous materials. Others go off on other matters. One sheet I saw had a bunch of gibberish about how used motor oil from gasoline engines correlated with cancer risk in mice, whereas used motor oil from diesel engines did not.
 
Originally Posted by Hotdog453
Originally Posted by simple_gifts
What are you running it in?


2015 WRX (non STI), which is basically a hot running little turbo that also has bad fuel dilution. The Aristocrats!

There's a 2000 post thread on oil selection here, as oil threads tend to grow to:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2657990

And I actually went ahead and started tracking UOAs/VOAs in a spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15axNf04S9hatJ497qHD6H8UPCZrkqzcSbjcQatGl9Cg/pubhtml

I'm honestly surprised the additives are that much lower than the normal 5w40. I assume I'll be having to walnut blast my car at some point, so the "lower SAPness" of this oil isn't really a huge gain in my opinion; I mostly wanted to get it for the VOA.


Which elements in an oil affect valve ash-sludge as you mention your car will need a walnut blast? My engine is very prone to valve ash and needs walnut blast at around 28-30k miles
 
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