Fully synthetic (group IV or V) VW504.00 motor oil

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Do you have an example of fully synthetic (group IV or V) VW 504.00 motor oil, because all I see are hydrocracked and I wonder if there is any ?

Now I use Shell Helix Ultra Professional AV-L 0w30 (other name Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX SAE 0W-30) for 1.8tfsi VW engine
 
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Redline oils are synthetic, but more importantly than base oil composition would be specifications and builder approvals.

You can easily find an oil claiming to be a real synthetic but that doesn't guarantee anything better than an oil meeting the correct specs and could be worse
 
You probably wont find an ester longlife oil as ester doesn't do long drain intervals very well. Mobil is a G4/G3 blend as far as i know. Like the other chap said, getting the correct application is the most important part.

If you are on fixed interval servicing the best oil for the 1.8TSi engines in the Superb's is 5w-40 VW502.00.

For longlife servicing you'll need the VW504.00 5w-30.
 
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Redline oils are synthetic, but more importantly than base oil composition would be specifications and builder approvals.

You can easily find an oil claiming to be a real synthetic but that doesn't guarantee anything better than an oil meeting the correct specs and could be worse


that's why I was looking for fully synt. that meets 504.00spec

Shell Helix Ultra Professional AV-L 0w30 looks for me the best 504.00 oil available
 
Is it possible that some day a spec will be so demanding that a fully synthetic oil won't be able to meet it?

robert
 
Originally Posted By: riggaz
Are you on longlife servicing?


yes, ecu estimates oil change at about 22000km
 
Originally Posted By: riggaz
For longlife servicing you'll need the VW504.00 5w-30.


Or 0W-30.
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For the 504/507 VW specifically wants 5W30 grade and GrIII base stock. Nothing else gets approved. That's why all you see is gr3.
It's the way the add pack was tested and the car testing as well.

Red Line 5W30 Euro is mostly PAO with a good dose of polyol ester and it is an upgrade over any approved product.
The GTL 0w30 from shell is also an upgrade.

There is no VW oil that needs PAO/Ester formulation. Most are attainable with Gr2 but are allowed gr3. 0W30 506.01 is likely the most demanding for base stock but still not necessarily true syn.
 
Originally Posted By: tudorart
For the 504/507 VW specifically wants 5W30 grade and GrIII base stock. Nothing else gets approved. That's why all you see is gr3.
It's the way the add pack was tested and the car testing as well.

Red Line 5W30 Euro is mostly PAO with a good dose of polyol ester and it is an upgrade over any approved product.
The GTL 0w30 from shell is also an upgrade.

There is no VW oil that needs PAO/Ester formulation. Most are attainable with Gr2 but are allowed gr3. 0W30 506.01 is likely the most demanding for base stock but still not necessarily true syn.

VW 504.00/507.00 can be GrIII, IV or V.
 
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
what's the difference between VW 505.00 and VW 504.00?

As I know of q PAO/ester oil meeting 505.00 in 0w30

VW 504.00 is a low SAPS oil spec that is used in gasoline engines.
VW 505.00 is a mid or full SAPS oil used in diesel engines.
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
what's the difference between VW 505.00 and VW 504.00?

As I know of q PAO/ester oil meeting 505.00 in 0w30

VW 504.00 is a low SAPS oil spec that is used in gasoline engines.
VW 505.00 is a mid or full SAPS oil used in diesel engines.

VW505.00 is OLD spec, used in port-injection diesels and first TDI's, before PD and CR, as well as old gassers (pre 1.8T).
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
what's the difference between VW 505.00 and VW 504.00?

As I know of q PAO/ester oil meeting 505.00 in 0w30

VW 504.00 is a low SAPS oil spec that is used in gasoline engines.
VW 505.00 is a mid or full SAPS oil used in diesel engines.

VW505.00 is OLD spec, used in port-injection diesels and first TDI's, before PD and CR, as well as old gassers (pre 1.8T).


You do mean IDI and not port injection. 505.00 is a diesel-only spec, VW 502.00 is for gas engines, still used today. It's had one or two revisions since inception (when it started being paired with 505.01)
 
What is better in your opinion: 504.00 0w30 (SHELL HELIX ULTRA PROFESSIONAL AV-L 0W30) or 502.00 0w30 (TOTAL QUARTZ 9000 ENERGY 0W30/ELF EVOLUTION 900 FT 0W30) oil both changed about 10-15000km ?
 
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Originally Posted By: edyvw

VW505.00 is OLD spec, used in port-injection diesels and first TDI's, before PD and CR, as well as old gassers (pre 1.8T).


Port injection diesel? that's a new one....

But I get it, you mean indirect injection, inside a pre-chamber in the head.
 
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Originally Posted By: Jetronic
Originally Posted By: edyvw

VW505.00 is OLD spec, used in port-injection diesels and first TDI's, before PD and CR, as well as old gassers (pre 1.8T).


Port injection diesel? that's a new one....

But I get it, you mean indirect injection, inside a pre-chamber in the head.

Yeah,, indirect, sorry.
 
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