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Originally Posted By: bmwjohn
I'm not sure where I heard this, but I had the impression that Deeza was a German company, or subsidiary of one, and moved production to Turkey because German parts are extremely expensive
You know, the name led me to originally assume a similar thing, but I don't know if that's correct. The info posted on Deeza's parent company's website gives some hints, but doesn't give a specific answer.
The site does say Germany is the biggest sales market for Deeza's parent company.
Deeza Chassis Parts is owned by Disa Automotive.
http://www.disaautomotive.com/about.asp
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Disa Automotive operates in North America under the corporate name Deeza Chassis Parts.
According the to the Disa website, it's a private company that was established in 1990 and it is headquartered in Turkey. The company has two owners. It doesn't say if the two owners are Turkish or if one/both are outside investors.
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Disa Automotive Ltd. Sti is a privately owned Turkish Limited Corporation and it is located in Corlu, Turkey. Corlu is a border town to Istanbul. The company is owned by two individuals with 50% shares each.
It is established in 1990 and it is a technology focused prime manufacturer of high quality suspension and steering parts for the global aftermarket.
Disa does not have its own brand. It manufactures and does branding for many well known respected corporations and trademarks around the world, as well as ships neutral products with no branding.
Disa has customers through out the world but its main markets are Europe and USA. The chart below gives brief information about the countries Disa products are being sold to;
I'm not sure where I heard this, but I had the impression that Deeza was a German company, or subsidiary of one, and moved production to Turkey because German parts are extremely expensive
You know, the name led me to originally assume a similar thing, but I don't know if that's correct. The info posted on Deeza's parent company's website gives some hints, but doesn't give a specific answer.
The site does say Germany is the biggest sales market for Deeza's parent company.
Deeza Chassis Parts is owned by Disa Automotive.
http://www.disaautomotive.com/about.asp
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Disa Automotive operates in North America under the corporate name Deeza Chassis Parts.
According the to the Disa website, it's a private company that was established in 1990 and it is headquartered in Turkey. The company has two owners. It doesn't say if the two owners are Turkish or if one/both are outside investors.
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Disa Automotive Ltd. Sti is a privately owned Turkish Limited Corporation and it is located in Corlu, Turkey. Corlu is a border town to Istanbul. The company is owned by two individuals with 50% shares each.
It is established in 1990 and it is a technology focused prime manufacturer of high quality suspension and steering parts for the global aftermarket.
Disa does not have its own brand. It manufactures and does branding for many well known respected corporations and trademarks around the world, as well as ships neutral products with no branding.
Disa has customers through out the world but its main markets are Europe and USA. The chart below gives brief information about the countries Disa products are being sold to;
I have been using these parts in Germany since the early 90's.
They are very well regarded as high quality parts and accepted as being up to German OEM standards.
AFAIK they are Turkish using the best European materials, machinery and manufacturing techniques.
They are very well regarded as high quality parts and accepted as being up to German OEM standards.
AFAIK they are Turkish using the best European materials, machinery and manufacturing techniques.
Originally Posted By: JetStar
This is good info, I'd rather support the Turks, which have been a good ally to the US, as opposed to the Chinese. Come to think of it, I'd rather support them vs a US company that manufactures in China.
Oh, yeah. We should stay away from the Moog Chineseum stuff.
This is good info, I'd rather support the Turks, which have been a good ally to the US, as opposed to the Chinese. Come to think of it, I'd rather support them vs a US company that manufactures in China.
Oh, yeah. We should stay away from the Moog Chineseum stuff.
Originally Posted By: stephen9666
We do not put products Made in China, Taiwan or any other Far-Eastern country in our boxes.
WARNING: An old thread has been regurgitated....
I hate to bring back old posts and I probably should have started a new one. But after my last purchase of Deeza parts and after seeing the gushing of praise for Deeza on this thread, I decided to bring this one back to life.
The subject is a '96 Jeep Cherokee needing a complete front end rebuild. Anybody who owns a Jeep of this era knows that they use an excessive amount of parts on the steering and suspension of these machines, so a complete front end rebuild can get pricey. Yet, I did not want to use cheap parts. I've always been a big Moog fan, but I decided to try some Deeza parts.
Anyway, I ordered the following Deeza parts: JE-G604, ball joint, (2 pieces). JE-L604, stabilizer bar link, (2 pieces). JE-S604, tie rod end, (1 piece). JE-S606, tie rod end, (1 piece). All of these parts were made in Taiwan.
A lot of companies will let you know the difference between their lines by the part number. For example a PF47E ACDelco oil filter is an e-core, while a PF47 has a steel tube. The quality Moog products begin with a "C" or a "K", while the plain-boxed cheapie parts begin with the letter "R".
With that in mind, I emailed Deeza to see if I could there was any way to distinguish their Taiwanese-made parts from their Turkish-made parts. (I know their Taiwanese-made parts are probably okay, even if their warranty is somewhat lacking).
This is their reply:
QUOTE: "Dear (MY NAME HERE),
Thank you for your message.
Unfortunately there is no way of knowing the origins of the parts by the part numbers. There are many items we manufacture in our production plant in Turkey and also there are many parts we source from Taiwan and some Europen manufacturers. Over the years, we see a steady increase on our costs, and with that we source more to decrease our costs." END QUOTE
It sounds like cost control is now the major factor in the manufacture of Deeza parts.
While we are on the subject, I also ordered some Moog parts. I ordered K3261T, ball joint, (2 pieces). DS1238, tie rod, (1 piece) and a DS1235, track bar, (1 piece)
All of these items were made in USA.
I think I'll go back to Moog's "C" and "K" line and their Problem Solver parts. And yes, I know that everything on their premium line of parts is not American-made either.
We do not put products Made in China, Taiwan or any other Far-Eastern country in our boxes.
WARNING: An old thread has been regurgitated....
I hate to bring back old posts and I probably should have started a new one. But after my last purchase of Deeza parts and after seeing the gushing of praise for Deeza on this thread, I decided to bring this one back to life.
The subject is a '96 Jeep Cherokee needing a complete front end rebuild. Anybody who owns a Jeep of this era knows that they use an excessive amount of parts on the steering and suspension of these machines, so a complete front end rebuild can get pricey. Yet, I did not want to use cheap parts. I've always been a big Moog fan, but I decided to try some Deeza parts.
Anyway, I ordered the following Deeza parts: JE-G604, ball joint, (2 pieces). JE-L604, stabilizer bar link, (2 pieces). JE-S604, tie rod end, (1 piece). JE-S606, tie rod end, (1 piece). All of these parts were made in Taiwan.
A lot of companies will let you know the difference between their lines by the part number. For example a PF47E ACDelco oil filter is an e-core, while a PF47 has a steel tube. The quality Moog products begin with a "C" or a "K", while the plain-boxed cheapie parts begin with the letter "R".
With that in mind, I emailed Deeza to see if I could there was any way to distinguish their Taiwanese-made parts from their Turkish-made parts. (I know their Taiwanese-made parts are probably okay, even if their warranty is somewhat lacking).
This is their reply:
QUOTE: "Dear (MY NAME HERE),
Thank you for your message.
Unfortunately there is no way of knowing the origins of the parts by the part numbers. There are many items we manufacture in our production plant in Turkey and also there are many parts we source from Taiwan and some Europen manufacturers. Over the years, we see a steady increase on our costs, and with that we source more to decrease our costs." END QUOTE
It sounds like cost control is now the major factor in the manufacture of Deeza parts.
While we are on the subject, I also ordered some Moog parts. I ordered K3261T, ball joint, (2 pieces). DS1238, tie rod, (1 piece) and a DS1235, track bar, (1 piece)
All of these items were made in USA.
I think I'll go back to Moog's "C" and "K" line and their Problem Solver parts. And yes, I know that everything on their premium line of parts is not American-made either.
I'm getting mixed results during the past year RE: Deeza parts. Some of the sway bar end links I got were made in Taiwan, sourced from different suppliers (left side differs in manufacturing than that of the right, both labeled as "made in taiwan").
I have better luck getting B-A lately: for most of the suspension parts such as ball joints, etc. are BAW Taiwan.
I'm quality + cost-conscious, and Deeza no longer gets my vote.
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I have better luck getting B-A lately: for most of the suspension parts such as ball joints, etc. are BAW Taiwan.
I'm quality + cost-conscious, and Deeza no longer gets my vote.
Q.
Originally Posted By: Quest
I'm getting mixed results during the past year RE: Deeza parts. Some of the sway bar end links I got were made in Taiwan, sourced from different suppliers (left side differs in manufacturing than that of the right, both labeled as "made in taiwan").
I have better luck getting B-A lately: for most of the suspension parts such as ball joints, etc. are BAW Taiwan.
I'm quality + cost-conscious, and Deeza no longer gets my vote.
Q.
+1. Last outer tie-rod I bought was a cheap made in Taiwan job without a zerk fitting. Totally different from the high quality made in Turkey unit they advertised on their website. I asked them if I got the wrong part and they told me they had starting sourcing from Taiwan. I told them they should update their website so customers knew what they were selling. I crossed Deeza off my list. I think Deeza had a good thing going with their highly touted modern plant in Turkey and a very good reputation. However, they are going down the [censored].
I'm getting mixed results during the past year RE: Deeza parts. Some of the sway bar end links I got were made in Taiwan, sourced from different suppliers (left side differs in manufacturing than that of the right, both labeled as "made in taiwan").
I have better luck getting B-A lately: for most of the suspension parts such as ball joints, etc. are BAW Taiwan.
I'm quality + cost-conscious, and Deeza no longer gets my vote.
Q.
+1. Last outer tie-rod I bought was a cheap made in Taiwan job without a zerk fitting. Totally different from the high quality made in Turkey unit they advertised on their website. I asked them if I got the wrong part and they told me they had starting sourcing from Taiwan. I told them they should update their website so customers knew what they were selling. I crossed Deeza off my list. I think Deeza had a good thing going with their highly touted modern plant in Turkey and a very good reputation. However, they are going down the [censored].
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I have Deeza sway bar links in my Equinox. Greasable and appear to be quaility built. No complaints with Deeza here.
Why would Deeza make suspension parts for 90s US car like Escort? I would imagine they need a massive volume to justify tooling, especially if there aren't already big player involved in the market.
I think for Japanese cars (especially Toyota), they already have a lot of OEM for their Taiwanese factory so might as well make them for Deeza.
I think for Japanese cars (especially Toyota), they already have a lot of OEM for their Taiwanese factory so might as well make them for Deeza.
@Panda,
Sometimes, manufacturers may make poor decisions based on poor information.
IMO it's not a bad idea to start off (invest in tooling, etc. ) on certain world cars such as Honda fit, corolla, etc. can't go wrong with that consider how long globally their production runs have been.
others such as ford tempo, etc. are not worthy of investing tools, simply because (a) they are pretty much obsolete and not seen on the road anymore (b) still lots of aftermarket stocks around by other suppliers/manufacturers.
It's up to Deeza to make their mind. Sadly, sometimes they missed (and decided to go with something not even up to grade).
Just my thought on the subject.
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Sometimes, manufacturers may make poor decisions based on poor information.
IMO it's not a bad idea to start off (invest in tooling, etc. ) on certain world cars such as Honda fit, corolla, etc. can't go wrong with that consider how long globally their production runs have been.
others such as ford tempo, etc. are not worthy of investing tools, simply because (a) they are pretty much obsolete and not seen on the road anymore (b) still lots of aftermarket stocks around by other suppliers/manufacturers.
It's up to Deeza to make their mind. Sadly, sometimes they missed (and decided to go with something not even up to grade).
Just my thought on the subject.
Q.
Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
From experience, if you seen the term "Premium" in the description, the part is made in Turkey. Otherwise, it's made in Taiwan. Appears to be the new thing with Deeza.
Maybe on your side of the world, but that that was not my experience.
As described on the Rock Auto site, where these were purchased:
JE-S606, Premium Quality
JE-S604, Premium Quality
JE-G604, Premium Quality
All of these pieces that I bought were made in Taiwan.
To reiterate, the email from Deeza stated that there was no way to distinguish where a part was manufactured.
From experience, if you seen the term "Premium" in the description, the part is made in Turkey. Otherwise, it's made in Taiwan. Appears to be the new thing with Deeza.
Maybe on your side of the world, but that that was not my experience.
As described on the Rock Auto site, where these were purchased:
JE-S606, Premium Quality
JE-S604, Premium Quality
JE-G604, Premium Quality
All of these pieces that I bought were made in Taiwan.
To reiterate, the email from Deeza stated that there was no way to distinguish where a part was manufactured.
...NEVER fails
Finally getting around to the front suspension overhaul my Villager really needs (needed since before OP created thread)
Thought I'd give these good looking new parts a try
Aaaand they start cost cutting
Beck Arnley is accused of doing the same thing now in some product lines
Please don't tell me Sachs is going downhill too?
Finally getting around to the front suspension overhaul my Villager really needs (needed since before OP created thread)
Thought I'd give these good looking new parts a try
Aaaand they start cost cutting
Beck Arnley is accused of doing the same thing now in some product lines
Please don't tell me Sachs is going downhill too?
My live a ways off the paved road. My '96 Cherokee is not lifted, getting close to 300K miles and is a daily-driver. It has started to experience the "death wobble" that Jeeps of that era have a habit of doing and the steering and suspension parts are showing their age.
I installed the Taiwanese-built JEL604 stabilizer bar links on my Jeep Cherokee yesterday. They appear to be decent quality, just not what I had in mind when I ordered them.
The Moog-built steering damper was installed a few days ago and looked to decent. (But really, how can you tell by just looking?) The Moog-built lower control arm bushings will be installed today. New tires will be installed this week as winter is right around the corner and the Goodyear Wrangers that are on right now were a big disappointment.
Deeza has probably gotten their last sale from me and Moog will be getting more money from me, especially if I can see the COO labeling before I buy.
I installed the Taiwanese-built JEL604 stabilizer bar links on my Jeep Cherokee yesterday. They appear to be decent quality, just not what I had in mind when I ordered them.
The Moog-built steering damper was installed a few days ago and looked to decent. (But really, how can you tell by just looking?) The Moog-built lower control arm bushings will be installed today. New tires will be installed this week as winter is right around the corner and the Goodyear Wrangers that are on right now were a big disappointment.
Deeza has probably gotten their last sale from me and Moog will be getting more money from me, especially if I can see the COO labeling before I buy.
I am so done with aftermarket suspension/steering parts (and generally any aftermarket part in general). I am also convinced that appearance means squat when it comes to longevity and reliability.
The rubber bushings on my ECHO's control arms started to separate last year, and the Toyota OEM arms (includes ball joint) were about $230 each. That seemed like a lot to put into that old car so I got Moog ones for about $100 each. Guess what, a year later both have worn ball joints that are knocking and loose. No way I want to do the work again with another BA or Moog part, so now I am buying Toyota parts for essentially $320 each.
On my BMW I tried to save a few dollars by buying Meyle lower control arms instead of Lemforder (BMW). A year later one side has a dry and popping ball joint, the other has a good 1/16" play. So I now just bought and installed the Lemforder arms and bushings at a total cost about 60% higher than if I had just gone with the Lemforder ones in the beginning.
The ball joints on my Sienna were loose a while back and because I couldn't wait for Toyota or 555 joints so I got the top of the line ones at my local NAPA. About 18 months later both were worn and making noise. Nice cool blue joint covers too
Finally, I needed upper control arms on the Accord. I bought Beck Arnley arms, one was a 555 in the box the other was a Taiwan no-label. Guess which one was worn out in a year?
I'm just done with spending time and money on these things despite the fact that some look fine when you get them. Looks are just useless.
The rubber bushings on my ECHO's control arms started to separate last year, and the Toyota OEM arms (includes ball joint) were about $230 each. That seemed like a lot to put into that old car so I got Moog ones for about $100 each. Guess what, a year later both have worn ball joints that are knocking and loose. No way I want to do the work again with another BA or Moog part, so now I am buying Toyota parts for essentially $320 each.
On my BMW I tried to save a few dollars by buying Meyle lower control arms instead of Lemforder (BMW). A year later one side has a dry and popping ball joint, the other has a good 1/16" play. So I now just bought and installed the Lemforder arms and bushings at a total cost about 60% higher than if I had just gone with the Lemforder ones in the beginning.
The ball joints on my Sienna were loose a while back and because I couldn't wait for Toyota or 555 joints so I got the top of the line ones at my local NAPA. About 18 months later both were worn and making noise. Nice cool blue joint covers too
Finally, I needed upper control arms on the Accord. I bought Beck Arnley arms, one was a 555 in the box the other was a Taiwan no-label. Guess which one was worn out in a year?
I'm just done with spending time and money on these things despite the fact that some look fine when you get them. Looks are just useless.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I bought Beck Arnley arms, one was a 555 in the box the other was a Taiwan no-label. Guess which one was worn out in a year?
This is the problem with a reboxer. Many people do not realize BA does not manufacture anything or have any particular expertise. When you but from BA, it is a pure [censored] shoot.
I bought Beck Arnley arms, one was a 555 in the box the other was a Taiwan no-label. Guess which one was worn out in a year?
This is the problem with a reboxer. Many people do not realize BA does not manufacture anything or have any particular expertise. When you but from BA, it is a pure [censored] shoot.
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