Ford vs. GM full size trucks.

[stchman]

I keep hearing the Ford lovers of the world talk about how their precious F-series in the best selling vehicle, best for 37 years, blah, blah, blah.

I did a little research and was able to get US sales data from 1998 up to 2014.

GM Truck sales
Php Code:


Year Chevy GMC Tot GM Ford

1998 538,254 160,555 698,809 836,629

1999 636,150 208,693 844,843 869,001

2000 642,119 188,907 831,026 876,716

2001 716,051 210,154 926,205 911,597

2002 652,646 202,045 854,691 813,701

2003 684,302 196,689 880,991 845,586

2004 680,768 213,756 894,524 939,511

2005 705,982 229,488 935,468 901,463

2006 636,069 210,736 846,805 796,039

2007 618,259 208,243 826,500 690,589

2008 465,065 168,544 633,609 515,513

2009 316,554 111,842 428,396 413,625

2010 370,135 129,794 499,929 528,349

2011 415,130 149,170 564,300 584,917

2012 418,312 157,185 575,497 645,316

2013 480,414 184,389 664,803 763,402

2014 529,755 211,833 741,588 753,851



Total GM trucks

12,647,984



Total Ford trucks

12,685,805




The difference in full size trucks sales is 37,821 since 1998. I call that too close to call.

I omitted small trucks, SUVs, small SUVs, luxury SUVs, and focused on full sized pickups.

As you can see GM beat Ford in total truck sales in
2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

Ford took the total sales crown in:
1998, 1999, 2000, 2004, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014

It is looking like GM is going to sell more full sized trucks in 2015 with a sales as of September 1 of:
529,078 to Ford's 494,800

I understand that Ford is having problems with materials since they switched to their new all aluminum body.

Both are great trucks and both sell well. People just listen to advertising too much.

 

[wemay]

 

[WiskyBadger]

 

[mrsilv04]

Yeah, this isn't going to end well....

 

[BikeWhisperer]

I've owned both (I don't buy into the Chevy vs Ford thing...I buy what I like based on many factors).

I liked my 2005 Silverado and probably would have purchased another but I think the current models are *****. I think Ford, Ram, and even Toyota current offerings are better looking. I chose a F-150 for multiple reasons including good reviews, style, and the test drive(s).

I think aluminum is going to become more common in all vehicles as less weight means more MPG (lighter vehicle plus smaller displacement engines). The cost of production and repairs will come down as more companies adopt it. Whether Ford wins as an early adopter or loses is yet to be seen.

 

[RoadRaceJosh]

GM only sold 99.7% as many trucks in that time period! Losers! LOL. DILLIGAF?

 

[cb_13]

Ok, I'll be the one to start it! Since everyone is waiting for it anyway. Typical Chevy fan going out of their way to complain about something Ford is doing. It comes from the top down though. Chevy has an entire add campaign designed to mock the aluminum bodied Ford's. Maybe if they would spend that time and money designing an overhead cam V8 they wouldn't need to worry about what Ford was doing because they would be number 1. And to all the pushrod enthusiast's that are sure to chime in; Google Ford modular banned from Hot Rod engine masters. The modular was allowed in for 1 year placed 1,2 and 3. The next year it was banned.

 

[Pop_Rivit]

Originally Posted By: stchman
I keep hearing the Ford lovers of the world talk about how their precious F-series in the best selling vehicle, best for 37 years, blah, blah, blah.



Another trolling post from stchman.

 

[stchman]

Originally Posted By: cb_13
Ok, I'll be the one to start it! Since everyone is waiting for it anyway. Typical Chevy fan going out of their way to complain about something Ford is doing. It comes from the top down though. Chevy has an entire add campaign designed to mock the aluminum bodied Ford's. Maybe if they would spend that time and money designing an overhead cam V8 they wouldn't need to worry about what Ford was doing because they would be number 1. And to all the pushrod enthusiast's that are sure to chime in; Google Ford modular banned from Hot Rod engine masters. The modular was allowed in for 1 year placed 1,2 and 3. The next year it was banned.


People aren't going to buy or not buy a pickup because one has pushrods and one has overhead cams. Both engine designs have their pros and cons. And since when does one buy a truck with regard to an engine being banned on a racing circuit?

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: stchman
I keep hearing the Ford lovers of the world talk about how their precious F-series in the best selling vehicle, best for 37 years, blah, blah, blah.

Another trolling post from stchman.


Not trolling, I like both trucks. When I bought my 2013 Silverado, I looked at a 2013 Lariat F-150. The Ford dealer refused to come much off of MSRP while the Chevy dealer was willing to deal with me.

 

[pbm]

I would rather buy a truck from a company that didn't take a government BAILOUT than one that did. The taxpayers (us) lost on that deal....

 

[cb_13]

Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: cb_13
Ok, I'll be the one to start it! Since everyone is waiting for it anyway. Typical Chevy fan going out of their way to complain about something Ford is doing. It comes from the top down though. Chevy has an entire add campaign designed to mock the aluminum bodied Ford's. Maybe if they would spend that time and money designing an overhead cam V8 they wouldn't need to worry about what Ford was doing because they would be number 1. And to all the pushrod enthusiast's that are sure to chime in; Google Ford modular banned from Hot Rod engine masters. The modular was allowed in for 1 year placed 1,2 and 3. The next year it was banned.


People aren't going to buy or not buy a pickup because one has pushrods and one has overhead cams. Both engine designs have their pros and cons. And since when does one buy a truck with regard to an engine being banned on a racing circuit?

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: stchman
I keep hearing the Ford lovers of the world talk about how their precious F-series in the best selling vehicle, best for 37 years, blah, blah, blah.

Another trolling post from stchman.


Not trolling, I like both trucks. When I bought my 2013 Silverado, I looked at a 2013 Lariat F-150. The Ford dealer refused to come much off of MSRP while the Chevy dealer was willing to deal with me.

But GM is already moving towards OHC with their 4 cylinders. I don't see Ford, Toyota or Honda going back to OHV on anything. Give GM time they will add all aluminum bodies or at least more aluminum to their trucks just like Ford has. GM still makes a very good truck, they just let Ford make the major technological advances first. Then they copy them if it works.

 

[stchman]

Originally Posted By: pbm
I would rather buy a truck from a company that didn't take a government BAILOUT than one that did. The taxpayers (us) lost on that deal....


Ford took government money ($5.9B in June 2009) as well, so they are not as innocent as you think they are.

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: pbm
I would rather buy a truck from a company that didn't take a government BAILOUT than one that did. The taxpayers (us) lost on that deal....


Ford took government money ($5.9B in June 2009) as well, so they are not as innocent as you think they are.


No dog in this fight but GM took $11.2B. BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

[TFB1]

Originally Posted By: cb_13
Ok, I'll be the one to start it! Since everyone is waiting for it anyway. Typical Chevy fan going out of their way to complain about something Ford is doing. It comes from the top down though. Chevy has an entire add campaign designed to mock the aluminum bodied Ford's. Maybe if they would spend that time and money designing an overhead cam V8 they wouldn't need to worry about what Ford was doing because they would be number 1. And to all the pushrod enthusiast's that are sure to chime in; Google Ford modular banned from Hot Rod engine masters. The modular was allowed in for 1 year placed 1,2 and 3. The next year it was banned.

For trucks how is that a plus?? Most engines in passenger vehicles are built for good low end torque and fuel economy not max HP... I being a hardcore Ford fan absolutely despise the modular engines... That's mainly because of their huge size(larger than a 460) that are difficult to swap into earlier models without hacking up the chassis... As far as I'm concerned it's 1955 all over again, when Chevy's small block became king in hot rodding... Oh yeah Ford had their chance in the '80s with the 5.0 Mustang but screwed the pooch royally by installing mod engines(first three or four years were dogs, the 5.0 and Chevy guys were clobbering them)... Oh yeah the Coyote can make impressive power, it's still to [censored] big to fit in any early Falcon, Mustang, etc chassis...

As far as the original post, just attention seeking...

 

[stchman]

Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: pbm
I would rather buy a truck from a company that didn't take a government BAILOUT than one that did. The taxpayers (us) lost on that deal....


Ford took government money ($5.9B in June 2009) as well, so they are not as innocent as you think they are.


No dog in this fight but GM took $11.2B. BIG DIFFERENCE.


Government money is government money. The bailouts were to have the UAW employees keep their jobs.

While I was not a fan of the government loaning money to automakers, I am far less a fan of the government GIVING taxpayer money to welfare recipients.

 

[ExMachina]

I can settle this: Aluminum is for wimps, steel in GM's is mo' betta, and we have proof:

 

[tcp71]

While Gm makes commercials belittling the strength of aluminum, they are already preparing to make their next truck with an aluminum body.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/05/gm-fullsize-trucks-aluminum/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspecula...-come-too-late/

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140219...018-report-says

hypocritical marketing if I ever saw it.

 

[cb_13]

They're big that's for sure. But compare the torque of a modular 3v v10 at 6.8l to that of a bbf 460 at 7.5l. Keep in mind fitment in older models has nothing to do with current sales. I understand what you're getting at but ford simply doesn't care about that. They would rather you buy a ford racing 5.0 sbf or 460 crate engine for that type of thing.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: tcp71
While Gm makes commercials belittling the strength of aluminum, they are already preparing to make their next truck with an aluminum body.
hypocritical marketing if I ever saw it.

Funny!! New GM pickup truck ads: "Ha! We were just joking last year with the grizzly bear ads. Hee-Hee!

"
Seriously, most people know that Aluminum is just as strong as steel, and even lighter at equivalent strengths, although you have to use thicker aluminum parts for equivalency, e-z.
Other materials are available too, various types of fiber reinforced composites, etc. that could be used, not just aluminum. Well, anything bear-proof anyway...

 

[itguy08]

So you proved your own point that Ford has sold the most. And then say "too close to call"? The data doesn't lie.

And the F-series is the biggest seller. The Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra are different vehicles even though they are the same underneath. Same as a Buick isn't a Chevy or a Lincoln isn't a Ford even though they both are the same underneath.

Either way both are great trucks.