CAFE, Dexos, GF-5, Moly... fines, fees, cost etc.

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It's an older (2010) article. From the introduction phase of ILSAC GF-5 (2009), but may shed light on monetary figures discussed but vaguely understood.

http://www.motor.com/newsletters/20100110/Indepth2_GF-5OilStandard.html

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CAFE
Noncompliance Penalties
Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations will fine original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) $5.50 per tenth of a mile per gallon under the EPA-certified target value, multiplied by the total volume of those vehicles manufactured for a given model year.

Euro CO2
From an emissions perspective, beginning in 2012 in Europe, OEMs face a fine as high as 95 Euros per gram/kilometer traveled CO2 excess, multiplied by the carmaker's annual output. If a similar rule was adopted here, that translates to approximately $220 per gram/mile traveled CO2 excess.

DEXOS
In the case of GM's unique Dexos oils, licensed producers will pay GM a minimum $1,000 annual fee for each Dexos product, plus a $0.36 royalty for every gallon of Dexos sold. In addition, Dexos lubricant manufacturers must invest in new equipment and tooling and ensure their products pass new tests - costs that can exceed $180,000 per line of Dexos, according Mayur Shah, chief technology officer at the Lubrizol Corp.

API / ILSAC
The service trades and consumers can expect new GF-5 product costs to rise as a result of increased licensing, royalty, material and development costs. For the right to sell certified products that bear the American Petroleum Institute's (API) donut and starburst logos, the lubricants industry currently pays API an annual license of $1,250 and a royalty of $0.0015 per gallon (assessed only after the first 1 million gallons). New testing that is developed and implemented may result in an increase.

MOLY / ZDP
Upgrades in performance aren't free, nor without risks
Performance-improving additive packages will require new technologies at higher costs. The higher costs of these additives will not only have to be offset by realized performance but also be accepted as valid by motorists. For example, molybdenum currently costs between $22 and $38 per pound, whereas zinc dithiophosphate (ZDP), the most common anti-wear additive in use today currently sells for less than $1 per pound.
 
Wow that dexos fee is outrageous! No reason for it to be 240x the API fee, and the API fee doesn;t apply to the first million gallons.

Nobody else charges a fee at all. ACEA doesn't charge. Ford, Chrysler, and foreign OEM's don't charge a royalty, either.
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
molybdenum currently costs between $22 and $38 per pound


Is this the type of moly that's in pyb? What is put in place of moly in the oils that have 0ppm of moly?
 
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
ACEA doesn't charge.

ACEA requires the oil companies to self-certify. I guess dexos1 fees are "justified" by it being a trademark. As for outrageous fees, that CAFE formula could result in some pretty large penalties in short order!
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*starts the official Dexos boycott*

Manufactures will gladly pass the penalties on to the greedy wasteful customers who want/need a vehicle that can carry 7 people.
 
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Originally Posted By: Brybo86
*starts the official Dexos boycott*

Manufactures will gladly pass the penalties on to the greedy wasteful customers who want/need a vehicle that can carry 7 people.


A family of 7?
 
Originally Posted By: Dyusik
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
*starts the official Dexos boycott*

Manufactures will gladly pass the penalties on to the greedy wasteful customers who want/need a vehicle that can carry 7 people.


A family of 7?


In Oz, if you have 3 kids, you need 3 rows of seats to get legally required child seats in every position...nothing takes three such contraptions three abreast.
 
I could care less what GM charges for the manufacturers to have the "DEXOS" label. Quite frankly it's really none of our business and Dexos oil on the shelf doesn't cost any more than non-Dexos certified.

So-who cares.
 
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
*starts the official Dexos boycott*

Manufactures will gladly pass the penalties on to the greedy wasteful customers who want/need a vehicle that can carry 7 people.


The don't buy an SUV or van, but don't limit my choice as to vehicles.
 
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
*starts the official Dexos boycott*

Manufactures will gladly pass the penalties on to the greedy wasteful customers who want/need a vehicle that can carry 7 people.
No one needs a boat or a private plane either. Who needs a motorcycle or a quad? In a city who needs a car ? There is public transportation. Who needs a job there are ample welfare programs paid for the fools who are responsible and work for a living.
 
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