Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: hatt
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/23/tom-harris-global-warming-deceptive-temperature-re/
Laughable article by the Comic book "International Climate Science Coalition" Denier Organization
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/12...-Change-Deniers
And of course the Washington Times is a well known right wing paper just as the NY times is a left wing paper.
Global temperature assessments are made by a string of 1500 monitoring stations covering land
and oceans
http://www.noaa.gov/features/02_monitoring/weather_stations.html
July was 1.35 Degrees above the 1951 to 1980 average. However, July of 2011, 2009 and 1998 were very close as well with +1.33, +1.30 and +1.28 respectively above this average.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/climatechange/how-did-july-2015-rank-globall/51762696
Please show me on the NOAA website the .14 Degree of uncertainty.
So you are agreeing that in any event it beats the 1951 to 1980 average its just by how much??
Again show me reliable information instead of drivel.
I actually took some time to read Harris, Freed and whomever wrote the "accuweather" article.. Anderson who "blogs about Canadian weather."
Harris makes several key points:
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(1)NOAA says that the record was set by eight one-hundredths of a degree Celsius over that set in July 1998. NASA calculates that July 2015 beat what they assert was the previous warmest month (July 2011) by two one-hundredths of a degree.
If accurate, the "warmers" are jumping up and down about...0.08°C delta-T, measured across numerous data points (the SAME data points?) global-wide, between 2015 and 1998. 17yrs. The new record beat the old record by...0.02°C. Further, that's some dam-accurate thermometer. I wonder what it's tolerance range is? I'll get to that later...
Back to the first point, Man-Made-Global-Warming is indeed occuring and a fact, due to a delta-T of a miniscule 0.08°C. This is even STRONGER EVIDENCE than previously, when the same statement was made by only a dT of 0.02°C. 0.08 is a 300% increase over 0.02°C. 4X greater than the previous dT. Therefore, it MUST be right...right? Go find me some human who is capable of detecting a dT of 0.08°C across their body. What the warmers are pushing is that this actually is proof of their cause. What Earthly-being encompasses the entire Earth, to "feel" this in the first place? Yea, there's that word again "feel". You'll see that word arise A LOT in warmers language. Because they "measure" things by feelings, whereas science is interested in FACTS. Warmers are indeed sensitive though...0.08°C has them tearing their clothes, foaming at the mouth, dumping (organic) ashes on their heads, driving their Euro-SUV's on the sidewalk, and texting while driving, all at the same time. No wonder their knee-jerk reactions cause so many HWY accidents!
But I digress....
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(2) But government spokespeople rarely mention the inconvenient fact that these records are being set by less than the uncertainty in the statistics. NOAA claims an uncertainty of 14 one-hundredths of a degree in its temperature averages, or near twice the amount by which they say the record was set. NASA says that their data is typically accurate to one tenth of a degree, five times the amount by which their new record was set.
I even mentioned this in my previous post...where are the error bars? +- tolerances? Statistical data? Hello? 0.14°C. Is that + or - ? As in +-0.14°C? If so, the error bar is now 0.28°C wide. Plenty wide enough to drive 0.08°C straight through without detection. 3.5X as wide as the value they're claiming. Well how does that work? It doesn't, does it?
Even if the error bar is only half of the above value, 0.14°C total, or +-0.07°C, their value of 0.08°C is 0.01°C is barely outside. one one-hundredth. Yea, that's a confidence builder isn't it? Yet any warmer instantly gets over-heated at such an increase and immediately finds themself on the sidewalk, txtng furiously....
"There is a sucker born every minute" PT Barnum. I need to set up a carny game where warmers pay me money trying to sink a 4" rubber ring on a upright 2.5" piece of PVC at 80'. Given the above logic, they'd line up in droves....
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(3)They also know that calculating so-called global average temperatures to hundredths of a degree is irrational. After all, there is very little data for the 70 percent of Earth’s surface that is ocean. There is also little data for mountainous and desert regions, not to mention the Antarctic. Much of the coverage is so sparse that NASA is forced to make the ridiculous claim that regions are adequately covered if there is a temperature-sensing station within nearly 750 miles. This is the distance between Ottawa, Canada, and Myrtle Beach, S.C. cities with very different climates. Yet, according to NASA, only one temperature sensing station is necessary for the two cities and the vast area between them to be adequately represented in their network.
Yep..not to mention that then entire Earth surface doesn't experience the same season, much less the same weather. It's that 23.5° tilt-thing that Mother Nature imposed. Furthermore, 750mi across any surface on Earth, isn't a straight line either, regardless of your altitude.
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(4)In the final analysis, it is no more meaningful to calculate an average temperature for a whole planet than it is to calculate the average telephone number in the Washington D.C. phone book. Temperature, like viscosity and density, and of course phone numbers, is not something that can be meaningfully averaged. “Global temperature” does not exist.
In their award winning book, “Taken By Storm” (2007), Canadian researchers Christopher Essex and Ross McKitrick explain: “Temperature is not an amount of something [like height or weight]. It is a number that represents the condition of a physical system. In thermodynamics it is known as an intensive quantity, in contrast to quantities like energy, which have an additive property, which we call extensive in thermodynamics.”
Even if enough accurate surface temperature measurements existed to ensure reasonable planetary coverage (it doesn’t) and to calculate some sort of global temperature statistic, interpreting its significance would be challenging. What averaging rule would you use to handle the data from thousands of temperature-sensing stations? Mean, mode, median, root mean square? Science does not tell us. For some groups of close temperature measures (and NASA and NOAA are dealing with thousands of very close temperatures), one method of calculating an average can lead to a determination of warming while another can lead to a conclusion of cooling.
Even if you could calculate some sort of meaningful global temperature statistic, the figure would be unimportant. No one and nothing would experience it directly since we all live in regions, not the globe. There is no super-sized being straddling the planet, feeling global averages in temperature. Global warming does not matter.
Yep. Not only do you need to be careful when "averaging" any large data set, but you have to ask "Is it useful or meaningless?" There is a REASON statistics was created...
So "Al" here condemns the above as "laughable" and the ICSC as a comic book denier organization. And further cited his rationale for doing so based on a "dailykos" article??? LOL AL. Talk about laughable. I bet you didn't even read the article, did you? You sure are adept at fast-track C&P though.
Take a powder there Al! Chill-out. You're over-heating. Leading to Al-based GW! One more point: Instead of commenting on Harris' text as I am doing, you jibe straight to the often used tactic displayed. Facts too much of an Inconvenient Truth there Al?
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The sad answer will be that it had nothing to do with the realities of science, technology or economics. The tragic blunder is based on satisfying political expedience for a privileged few, egged on by vested financial interests, and supported by largely uninformed activists granted the media platforms needed to sway public opinion. As Jay Lehr, science director of the Chicago-based Heartland Institute said, “It is a scam that dwarfs all others that have come before.”
Indeed. The over-heated warming-crowd has indeed become...over-heated. Man-made GW is nothing more than Man-Made Fraud, propagated by a minority, using mass-media to spew fear, instability, chaos and crisis!, to further their own political cause.
A man-made mass-movement, caught up in an emotional thrall, incapable of independent thought and reflection. The evolution revolution MUST continue! THE MOVEMENT MUST MOVE FORWARD! PROGRESS DEMANDS SACRIFICE!
Gimme a break and go home!
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