How do you clean copper in bore?

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I have an 80's vintage Browning BLR in 358 Win. While cleaning it, at the muzzle I noticed that it had reddish streaks in the grooves. I ran a patch of oil down the bore thinking that if it was rust, the oil would change it's appearance to a dull brown, as it does on older un-plated tools. Nope, it was the same reddish dark copper color.
What's the best method of removing it?
 
One good way is with a cleaning product called Chore Boy. It's an all copper scrubbing pad that you cut a piece off and run it through the bore. It flakes the copper and lead off. Won't hurt the barrel. Patch with Hoppes or Kroil or whatever you like. There are copper removing chemicals like Barnes CR-10 but you gotta be careful with that stuff.
 
The Breakfree foaming bore cleaner removes copper fouling, doesn't smell very strong, is very easy to use, and also removes carbon like no other product I've ever tried.

I don't use the bore foam very often, more like twice a year, so the small can lasts a long time.

BSW
 
Hoppes #9 if left for a while comes out green if there's copper, so it DOES remove it.

Here's one from my prepper files, I obtained from Frugal Squirrel, homepage for patriots back in the late '90s
Quote:
Combat Arms
2869 Grove Way
Castro Valley, California 94546-6709
Telephone (415) 538-6544
BBS = (415) 537-1777


REMOVING COPPER FOULING FROM RIFLE BARRELS


As a copper jacketed bullet passes through a rifle barrel, it leaves a
tiny trace of copper on the lands and grooves of the rifling within the
barrel. The more the weapon is fired, the greater the amount of copper
deposited within the barrel. The copper begins to fill the grooves and the
accuracy of the rifle will drop off considerably. What you will initially
notice is that the shot groups will begin to widen as well as start to
stray from point of aim.

The obvious cure for this problem is to simply remove the copper from
the barrel! That's where the fun begins. The shooter typically uses
Break-Free CLP, Hoppe's No. 9, Shooter's Choice or some less well known
substance. Anyone who has ever seriously cleaned a barrel will know the
labor involved in doing it correctly. The use of the bore brush rubbing
against the inside of the barrel increases the likelihood that, sooner or
later, the rod will ding the barrel and that will do nothing for accuracy.
Worse yet, if you clean the barrel from the muzzle end and ding the barrel
area within one inch of the muzzle, you can cause damage which will upset
the correct bullet flight path (trajectory).

Chemically removing the copper
If we could safely chemically remove the copper, we would lessen
the real chance of barrel damage. The problem then arises for a way to do
the chemical removal without damaging the weapon. One of the best ways to
remove copper from anything is to coat the copper with a solution contain-
ing ammonia. In more concentrated forms it is called ammonium hydroxide.

When copper comes into contact with ammonia, it begins to dissolve. To
see an example of this phenomena, drop a simple one cent coin into a cup of
household ammonia. It will take a bit of time to do it because the house-
hold ammonia is a 9% solution and the variety sold by Combat Arms is a 28%
solution. Our type is sometimes known as "aqua of ammonia."

Preparing the copper removing cocktail
To chemically remove the copper fouling, get an uncontaminated bottle
of Hoppe's No. 9 and pour half of the bottle of Hoppe's No. 9 into another
small sealable container. Now take our 28% solution of ammonium hydroxide
(this is also called ammonium hydroxide rated at 26ø on the Baume' scale)
and top off the bottle of Hoppe's No. 9 with this ammonium hydroxide. This
gives you a copper removing cocktail made up of Hoppe's No. 9 and aqua
ammonia in a 50-50 solution. The only thing even remotely critical here is
to follow these steps.

SAFETY INSTRUCTIONS
1. Always mix up your copper removing cocktail using a fresh and un-
spoiled bottle of Hoppe's No. 9. It is easier to use this cleaning
method when you use the wide mouth 4 ounce size of Hoppe's No. 9. So,
spend some money on a new bottle of Hoppe's No. 9.

2. The fumes of this concentrated ammonium hydroxide can be a bit
overpowering, so do not mix this solution in a closed room. MIX THIS
SOLUTION UP OUTSIDE WHERE THERE IS PLENTY OF VENTILATION! Concentrated
ammonium hydroxide will really clean out your sinuses.

3. If you spill any of the ammonium hydroxide on your skin, you should
wash it off immediately in clear, cold running water to avoid any
possible sensitivity and irritation.

Applying the solution
To clean the barrel now becomes a simple job. Just position the weapon
muzzle down in a plastic bucket that has some rags in the bottom of the
bucket. The purpose of having the rags underneath the muzzle is to catch or
collect all of the contaminants and fluid coming out of the barrel. The
reason behind the bucket is to prevent the rags from contaminating the
flooring the bucket is on. For Pete's sake, don't be so stupid as to try
this over your wife's new carpet because you will be moon bound if you do!

Now take an eyedropper and carefully fill it with the cocktail. Then
drop the cocktail into the chamber end of the barrel with the eyedropper.
Rotate the barrel to get the cocktail over all of the internal surfaces of
the barrel.

Once the inside of the barrel is sufficiently covered with the
cocktail, it is necessary to give the solution some time to dissolve the
copper. So, go eat breakfast/lunch/dinner, mow the grass or something for
15-20 minutes while the chemistry does its magic. While you are doing
something else, your barrel is really cleaning itself!

The finishing touches
Once the ammonium hydroxide has had a chance to work on the copper,
you then need to swab out the barrel and put a coat of Break-Free CLP or
other gun oil on the inside and outside of the barrel. The barrel is now
copper free!

Because of the mess this makes (the rags that were under the muzzle
will have a blue-green tint to them indicating the copper is coming out of
the barrel), Combat Arms recommends that you clean all of the other parts
of the gun before you treat the barrel.

If you will treat the barrel with this method after about 250 to 500
rounds, you will be much more satisfied with your weapon's accuracy.
Something that some of our shooters do is to carry a bottle containing the
cocktail with them to the range. Then, during a lull in the shooting, they
simply put a patch on a cleaning rod, dip it into the cocktail and run the
patch down the barrel. This is then followed by a series of dry patches
until the bore is completely dry. The gun is now ready to fire again. This
procedure is used to keep the copper from building up and reduces the need
to strip all of the copper out as previously outlined.
 
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2093155799/bore-tech-eliminator-bore-cleaning-solvent-liquid

Try this and you'll throw away your Sweet's, as well as all the other foaming bore cleaners you've tried. It's unbelievable. Best of all it's odorless, biodegradable, and it won't hurt your barrel, regardless of how long you leave it in.

The stuff actually has rust inhibitors in it. What convinced me, was I tried cleaning a barrel on one of my .300 Win. Mags. with it after I cleaned it with Sweet's..... And the patch came out green. As I say, once you try it, you will give away all your other Ammonia based copper removing cleaners. Don't take my word for it, read some of the reviews.
 
Originally Posted By: BigD1
If you don't want something that stinks, then JB bore compound is one of the best. It will make a barrel sparkle.

http://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-ch...d-prod1160.aspx


Clean all you want and when you think you're done, run a patch thru with
some JB on it and I guarantee it will come out black! Outstanding stuff;
I've used it for years. Get small jar, it will last forever as it doesn't
take much.
 
Originally Posted By: tc1446
Clean all you want and when you think you're done, run a patch thru with
some JB on it and I guarantee it will come out black!


Of course it will. That's because it is removing BARREL STEEL not copper. Any metal polish will do the same thing. When copper is being removed from the bore, the patches will come out GREEN, not black. JB Bore Paste is nothing more than Diatomaceous Earth in a paste form. It is more commonly known as D.E., the same stuff that's used in swimming pool filters. It's primary use, like most abrasives, is to polish rough spots in the barrel by removing barrel small amounts of barrel steel, not copper removal.
 
Its just my opinion,but if the rifle is shooting well leave the barrel alone.

More barrels are ruined by improper cleaning techniques than having some fouling in them.
 
Originally Posted By: BigD1
I have used Sweets 7.62 Solvent with excellent results.


Originally Posted By: Neely97
Sweets 7.62 Solvent is the mother of copper solvents .


Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I have good results with Sweets.


Yep good stuff.

Originally Posted By: billt460
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2093155799/bore-tech-eliminator-bore-cleaning-solvent-liquid

Try this and you'll throw away your Sweet's, as well as all the other foaming bore cleaners you've tried. It's unbelievable. Best of all it's odorless, biodegradable, and it won't hurt your barrel, regardless of how long you leave it in.


I know some bench shooters who swear by it.

Originally Posted By: Stewart Fan
Its just my opinion,but if the rifle is shooting well leave the barrel alone.

More barrels are ruined by improper cleaning techniques than having some fouling in them.


More true than not. Not all copper fouling is bad
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Originally Posted By: Stewart Fan
Its just my opinion,but if the rifle is shooting well leave the barrel alone.

More barrels are ruined by improper cleaning techniques than having some fouling in them.


Cannot tell you how many bores I have seen ruined on old mil surp guns from this. Enfields used to be issued with a cleaning rope that would be contaminated by dirt and grit and pulled through, ruining the bore at the end of the barrel. You see lots of old Mosin Nagants backbored because of abuse at the muzzle end from similar issues.

I bought a case of the gunslick foaming bore cleaner. Stuff is pretty darn goood, even busts up the corrosive primer residue very well on its own for us guys out there shooting old ammo through Mausers, Mosins, and Enfields.
 
People make waaaaaayyyy to big a deal about removing copper fouling. You don't have to SCRUB to remove it. It's not necessary. Using a good copper removing solvent like Bore Tech Eliminator, with good fitting flannel patches, (brushes are NOT required), on a good coated, one piece, Dewey Cleaning Rod, go with a wet, then a dry patch a couple of times through the bore with each, and you'll be done. You'll know it when the patch soaked with the Bore Tech stops coming out green. It's not a labor intensive ordeal, and I don't understand why people make it one.

And if you shoot .223/5.56 MM, and use CFE 223 powder, you'll never have to worry about it. That powder is amazing.
 
Remembering that the OP is talking about a BLR, and (apparently) not a take-down model, keep in mind the fact that there's no access from the chamber end with a solid/rigid cleaning rod; it's muzzle only. So, anything that requires scrubbing is just plain stupid. Sure, there are muzzle protectors, but what's available that will work on a BLR is generally a hold-it-by-hand device, so nowhere nearly as effective as the protectors available for the M1 Garand, for example.

Many foaming bore cleaners work well on light to perhaps moderate copper fouling. Gunslick's foaming bore cleaner is one I've used extensively, and which works well. However, it should not be left in the bore longer than the instructions on the can say.

BoreTech Eliminator, or their Cu+2 are both good copper cleaners, with the latter being a focus, more effective copper-only cleaner. I've used both of these extensively, and they work well.

Neither of the above products has a bad aroma, nor really much of an aroma at all.

KG-12 is another copper-specific product I've used. It turns a dark brown when it's removing copper, and it's yellow to start with, so it can be hard to tell how much you're accomplishing until you get used to it. This is the most effective of the three products I've mentioned here, based upon my experience from HORRIBLE copper foulers down to light foulers.

With all the above, but particularly the bottom two, I suggest wearing nitrile gloves. The bottom two at least will cause a reaction in some users. It doesn't appear to cause permanent harm, but the one can make your skin kind of dry and ache, sort of, and the other will cause it to feel 'funny' for some hours.

BE CAREFUL OF YOUR BLR's MUZZLE. ANY DAMAGE TO IT AT ALL FROM YOUR CLEANING ROD WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE MUCH WORSE THAN JUST LEAVING THE COPPER ALONE.
 
Your warning is certainly valid.

I use the Dewey brass muzzle guide with O-ring straight shank on my BLR, Win 94 Big Bores and Marlin 336 and never ever came close to touching the crown. You can get one in .35 cal

How about bore snake ?
 
Yes, the Dewey is a good product. I have one for my BLR, too. It's a good product, but I like the gun-specific one I have for the M1 much better.

I still see abrasive bore cleaners as a bad idea in a gun like these (cleaned from the muzzle).

I use a Bore Snake on my BLR more than anything. Frankly, as a hunting rifle only, I don't clean it much. A little _good_ quality oil (an oil formulator and firearms enthusiast shared a bit of his own mix with me) and a couple or three passes from the boresnake from time to time are all mine needs.
 
Agreed. Hunting guns aren't bench shooters and some people go over board on the cleaning that could do more harm.
 
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