Super mega "godzilla" El Niño this winter

[sciphi]

Just the fact that delicious non-hybridized and non-cold-hardy wine grapes can now be reliably and profitably grown further north than ever before is the clincher for me. Good thing, too, as the big wine-growing region of Australia is forecasted to become too hot for wine grapes in 20-30 years.

The big hockey stick that started growing right around the time of the Industrial Revolution sure seems to fit. If it's not sunspots, volcanoes, or cow flatulence, gee whiz, the only explanation left to fit the facts sure is inconvenient to a lot of folks who have a powerful interest in keeping us buying the fuel they have to sell.

 

[gathermewool]

I walked away just when this thread started getting really good!

 

[zzyzzx]

Originally Posted By: gathermewool
I'll take less snow and warmer temps here in southern New England this winter, thank you very much.

+1 for the above comment!

 

[zzyzzx]

Originally Posted By: Miller88
No more POLAR VORTEX!?


Obligatory:

 

[zzyzzx]

Originally Posted By: sciphi
or cow flatulence


Aren't there a LOT more cows, and people, passing gas today when compared to the past?

Obligatory Terrence & Phillip from South Park reference.

 

[Turk]

1) NO warming has occurred for 18 years.

2) Some data was faked to try to show the false warming.

3) For Thousands & Millions of years, the climate has naturally varied. It'll continue to naturally vary for Thousands & Millions of years.

C'mon people. Be concerned about real things.

 

[Turk]

"Climate change expert sentenced to 32 months for fraud, says lying was a 'rush'"

"The case this morning highlights a massive problem with the EPA,"

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/climat...was-f2D11768995

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: Turk
1) NO warming has occurred for 18 years.

2) Some data was faked to try to show the false warming.

3) For Thousands & Millions of years, the climate has naturally varied. It'll continue to naturally vary for Thousands & Millions of years.

C'mon people. Be concerned about real things.

WRONG

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2015...cent-years.html

 

[buster]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding

Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says – but it funded deniers for 27 more years

 

[Win]

Mid 50's this morning. In Arkansas. IN AUGUST.

I'm driving the V12 today to get some more CO2 in the air fast, before we freeze to death.

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: Turk
1) NO warming has occurred for 18 years.

2) Some data was faked to try to show the false warming.

3) For Thousands & Millions of years, the climate has naturally varied. It'll continue to naturally vary for Thousands & Millions of years.

C'mon people. Be concerned about real things.

1) see Buster's reply - you are wrong
2) all data against it is fake or not presented truthfully (see #1)
3) humans haven't had technology available to us over thousands and millions of years. Look at our global population now and how much we alter the environment. THAT is the difference. Yes WE can make a huge impact to the world. No other species has had that power, throughout the ages that earth has been around.

Yes, let some "news" distract you so you can worry about "real things" that truly don't matter. Climate change is real and it may be a real big issue in a not too distant future.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: Turk
1) NO warming has occurred for 18 years.

2) Some data was faked to try to show the false warming.

3) For Thousands & Millions of years, the climate has naturally varied. It'll continue to naturally vary for Thousands & Millions of years.

C'mon people. Be concerned about real things.

WRONG

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2015...cent-years.html



from the linked article:

"Scientists have developed a method to correct the difference"

" used to provide improved corrections " (my emphasis added).

We actually have to pay taxes for this gargbage? At the quaint cow college where I obtained my undergrad B.S. "correcting" data would have almost certainly resulted in the academic equivalent of the death penalty: permanent expulsion.

No matter what the politico/psuedoscience complex has deluded itself into believing, the public at large is not stupid. You don't have to have much of an education, indeed, none, to understand that "correction" and "manipulation" are the same thing. Any anything based on manipulation simply cannot be trusted. It's certainly not settled. It's the same as being asked to believe a proven liar.

And for people older than about forty five, who have lived through these exact same climate gyrations before, it would be a tough sell even without the fraud.

My advice to "science": give up the fraud and the "settled" nonsense. You look worse and worse every time you trot this dead horse out.

As for me, I don't care much one way or the other. I don't own wineries (although there are many around here, once the climate changed to make them viable), and I don't own anything below 450 MSL or so, and most a lot higher. But I hate to see far reaching and destructive policies made based on garbage. And I didn't notice anyone from Cali wringing their hands when it didn't rain much here for years and went months without dropping below 100F any time of day or night. So I'm not going to wring my hands if more of their houses slide into desert mud this winter or burn down because they won't properly manage their lands, or if they have to plant their yards with tumbleweeds becuase they wasted all the water on Begonia's.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: Win

My advice to "science": give up the fraud and the "settled" nonsense. You look worse and worse every time you trot this dead horse out.

Do you believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old and Universe 13.72 Billion years old?

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Win

My advice to "science": give up the fraud and the "settled" nonsense. You look worse and worse every time you trot this dead horse out.

Do you believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old and Universe 13.72 Billion years old?


Are there some expensive and life altering policy decisions contemplated, based on either of these two dates, that I am somehow unaware of?

Or is this just a silly straw man, since anyone of common intelligence inately understands that "correction" (not my words - theirs) and manipulation are, in fact, the same thing?

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: Win


Are there some expensive and life altering policy decisions contemplated, based on either of these two dates, that I am somehow unaware of?

Idle curiosity. Didn't think you would answer that.

 

[KrisZ]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Climate change is real and it may be a real big issue in a not too distant future.


And who ever said that the climate is not changing? It has in the past, often with disastrous consequences to the dominant species of that time. What makes you think that we can halt climate change in it's tracks?
Even if we assume that human kind is accelerating the changes in Earth's climate, the only thing we can ever achieve is simply slow down the climate change, not stop it.

Let's speculate even further. Let's pretend that we can stop all climate altering human activity tomorrow, how much of a window will that give us? When is this disastrous to us climate change is supposed to happen? How much more time can we give ourselves?

There is another way of looking at this. Doesn't the "save the Earth" crowd always complain about overpopulation? So why are they complaining about climate change? It will give the natural selection to the human kind. It will force us, through less fertile land, harsher temperatures and generally less hospitable environment to lessen our numbers.
Or maybe, just maybe, the people pushing for all of this simply found a very easy cash cow. All they have to do is lower annual CO2 limits for the cash to pour in.

 

[surfstar]

and maybe abortion is just a way to prevent overpopulation and stop global warming!?!

Has Rush brought that up yet?



Actually the deniers like to say there hasn't been a warming since '98, as we saw in above posts. They are trying to say "its not changing". And when they get proven wrong, then they say, "its always been changing, so who cares".

The fact is, that we need to curtail certain environmental impacts. We used to let industries just dump waste right into waterways. Eventually we realized that was dumb and make them stop and clean up their acts.


Back to overpopulation - if you look at reproduction numbers of higher educated, higher socioeconomic classes, they are reproducing less and later on. So they have performed their own population control, but others haven't followed. This leads to the premise of Idiocracy. Which seems like where we're going.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Win
Mid 50's this morning. In Arkansas. IN AUGUST.

I'm driving the V12 today to get some more CO2 in the air fast, before we freeze to death.


Thank you. I think I should pull the cats off my car and go burn a tank full in support!

Seriously guys, no one disputes that the climate changes. But what we do will matter very little, and many other countries will continue to pump out the goods like crazy as they grow.

Let's keep this going, I wonder how many people are googling right now...

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Benito
Originally Posted By: Al
There are at least 293 Scientific Organizations that understand man-made GW and the have written at least 93,000 articles affirming their belief. That's ridiculously low.

AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Geophysical Union
American Medical Association
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
The Geological Society of America
U.S. National Academy of Sciences
U.S. Global Change Research Program

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

The overwhelming number of U.S. and world universities understand Man Made GW is real.

I doubt you could even name one Credible Agency that doesn't believe in Mane Made GW.

Honestly boggles my mind.


Seems there's more proof of man made climate change than the existence of god.



Indeed. And I always get the absolute straight science from the guys in Pakistan and Palestine!

(Psst, I read the list. Did you?)

They're my "go to" source. No bias at all...

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

I think the most serious damage mankind has done to the earth is actually the deforestation, especially to tropical rain forests, which are claimed to be a significant part of natures thermostat.
There is NO denying that over the billions of years the earth has existed the climate has been significantly warmer than today. Scientists do NOT deny this fact. I find it interesting how they IGNORE deforestation as far as I can tell the silence is deafening.