RobensteinOf course the car only got cheaper year after year after year despite inflation. By the mid 20's they were under 300 bucks and wages were climbing along the way. It STARTED with the 5 dollar day. WW1 brought higher wages and post war something new...consumer credit. [/quote said:Just trying to follow the logic. Conversely, if we simply paid people what we did in the good old days, the price of cars would come down and people would be more easily able to afford a car
My point was people ARE paid much more in real terms than back in 1914. In fact they could be paid less than current and still be able to afford a modest new car. Perhaps we reached a point of limiting returns on this more pay, more purchasing theory? (aka as 'trickle up')
Not everyone works for an auto manufacturer.
Ford moves C-Max and Focus out of U.S.
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This is a perfect example of why I say our corporate tax laws need to be changed. I say businesses that outsource to other countries should be taxed at such a higher rate that it would cost them less money to build their products here in the U.S. and pay their employees decent wages to do it...that is the only way I see to stop companies from outsourcing...hit them hard in their wallets as that seems to be the only language they understand...
Tax laws don't matter. The accountants/tax lawyers would find a way around it.
If you tax C-Max and Focus higher than other cars made in Mexico then you violate the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico.
If you tax C-Max and Focus higher than other cars made in Mexico then you violate the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Tax laws don't matter. The accountants/tax lawyers would find a way around it.
If you tax C-Max and Focus higher than other cars made in Mexico then you violate the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico.
If the free trade agreement keeps us from stopping our own businesses from outsourcing, then the agreement needs to go...and how is anyone going to get around a law that says if you produce your products in a foreign country, your tax rate is XX%? There's no getting around that other than to produce your products in the states...
Tax laws don't matter. The accountants/tax lawyers would find a way around it.
If you tax C-Max and Focus higher than other cars made in Mexico then you violate the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico.
If the free trade agreement keeps us from stopping our own businesses from outsourcing, then the agreement needs to go...and how is anyone going to get around a law that says if you produce your products in a foreign country, your tax rate is XX%? There's no getting around that other than to produce your products in the states...
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
If you tax C-Max and Focus higher than other cars made in Mexico then you violate the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico.
The question really is just WHOM agreed to that NAFTA agreement.
It wasn't the ordinary citizen it was lobbyists who are paid to influence congressmen that passed that agreement, which also is a violation of our own interstate trade laws.
If you tax C-Max and Focus higher than other cars made in Mexico then you violate the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico.
The question really is just WHOM agreed to that NAFTA agreement.
It wasn't the ordinary citizen it was lobbyists who are paid to influence congressmen that passed that agreement, which also is a violation of our own interstate trade laws.
Originally Posted By: grampi
If the free trade agreement keeps us from stopping our own businesses from outsourcing, then the agreement needs to go...and how is anyone going to get around a law that says if you produce your products in a foreign country, your tax rate is XX%? There's no getting around that other than to produce your products in the states...
How about BMW, MB ... import some vehicles from outside USA, what will be their tax rate ?
If you have higher tax rate for Ford, GM ... if they produce some vehicles from other countries then import it, you have to raise tax to all that import any vehicle. Then you will have tread war with every country.
Tax and international trades are very complicate, not easily implemented to slow down outsourcing. Some companies closed all US facilities, headquarter included, and moved everything to foreign country for lower tax.
If the free trade agreement keeps us from stopping our own businesses from outsourcing, then the agreement needs to go...and how is anyone going to get around a law that says if you produce your products in a foreign country, your tax rate is XX%? There's no getting around that other than to produce your products in the states...
How about BMW, MB ... import some vehicles from outside USA, what will be their tax rate ?
If you have higher tax rate for Ford, GM ... if they produce some vehicles from other countries then import it, you have to raise tax to all that import any vehicle. Then you will have tread war with every country.
Tax and international trades are very complicate, not easily implemented to slow down outsourcing. Some companies closed all US facilities, headquarter included, and moved everything to foreign country for lower tax.
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: grampi
If the free trade agreement keeps us from stopping our own businesses from outsourcing, then the agreement needs to go...and how is anyone going to get around a law that says if you produce your products in a foreign country, your tax rate is XX%? There's no getting around that other than to produce your products in the states...
How about BMW, MB ... import some vehicles from outside USA, what will be their tax rate ?
If you have higher tax rate for Ford, GM ... if they produce some vehicles from other countries then import it, you have to raise tax to all that import any vehicle. Then you will have tread war with every country.
Tax and international trades are very complicate, not easily implemented to slow down outsourcing. Some companies closed all US facilities, headquarter included, and moved everything to foreign country for lower tax.
How about looking at the policies in place that Germany uses to define their tariffs? They target specific products from specific countries (like stainless from China for example) while "playing fair" with other first world nations.
But you are right, it is a very complicated subject but one IMHO that can be handled better than it currently is in both the US and Canada.
Originally Posted By: grampi
If the free trade agreement keeps us from stopping our own businesses from outsourcing, then the agreement needs to go...and how is anyone going to get around a law that says if you produce your products in a foreign country, your tax rate is XX%? There's no getting around that other than to produce your products in the states...
How about BMW, MB ... import some vehicles from outside USA, what will be their tax rate ?
If you have higher tax rate for Ford, GM ... if they produce some vehicles from other countries then import it, you have to raise tax to all that import any vehicle. Then you will have tread war with every country.
Tax and international trades are very complicate, not easily implemented to slow down outsourcing. Some companies closed all US facilities, headquarter included, and moved everything to foreign country for lower tax.
How about looking at the policies in place that Germany uses to define their tariffs? They target specific products from specific countries (like stainless from China for example) while "playing fair" with other first world nations.
But you are right, it is a very complicated subject but one IMHO that can be handled better than it currently is in both the US and Canada.
Free trade agreements. Right. Freedom for the world to come in here and pillage. The hb-1 program. Its all one way. And people who come here for degrees need to go back to their home country to develop their country. Or else we'll never have parity.
Every time I go into Canada I get hasled about what I'm going to do, to the point of being invasive. They want copies of purchase orders and such. My company normally responded with a letter stating that we request entry based on the NAFTA. I wonder how many NEXUS and green cards we issue the other way. Its way lopsided.
Every time I go into Canada I get hasled about what I'm going to do, to the point of being invasive. They want copies of purchase orders and such. My company normally responded with a letter stating that we request entry based on the NAFTA. I wonder how many NEXUS and green cards we issue the other way. Its way lopsided.
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Free trade agreements. Right. Freedom for the world to come in here and pillage. The hb-1 program. Its all one way. And people who come here for degrees need to go back to their home country to develop their country. Or else we'll never have parity.
Every time I go into Canada I get hasled about what I'm going to do, to the point of being invasive. They want copies of purchase orders and such. My company normally responded with a letter stating that we request entry based on the NAFTA. I wonder how many NEXUS and green cards we issue the other way. Its way lopsided.
We get hassled every time we head your way too bud, it isn't a one-way thing. We get asked what we do, are there Americans that can do it....etc. They often also want paperwork.
Free trade agreements. Right. Freedom for the world to come in here and pillage. The hb-1 program. Its all one way. And people who come here for degrees need to go back to their home country to develop their country. Or else we'll never have parity.
Every time I go into Canada I get hasled about what I'm going to do, to the point of being invasive. They want copies of purchase orders and such. My company normally responded with a letter stating that we request entry based on the NAFTA. I wonder how many NEXUS and green cards we issue the other way. Its way lopsided.
We get hassled every time we head your way too bud, it isn't a one-way thing. We get asked what we do, are there Americans that can do it....etc. They often also want paperwork.
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Free trade agreements. Right. Freedom for the world to come in here and pillage. The hb-1 program. Its all one way. And people who come here for degrees need to go back to their home country to develop their country. Or else we'll never have parity.
Every time I go into Canada I get hasled about what I'm going to do, to the point of being invasive. They want copies of purchase orders and such. My company normally responded with a letter stating that we request entry based on the NAFTA. I wonder how many NEXUS and green cards we issue the other way. Its way lopsided.
We get hassled every time we head your way too bud, it isn't a one-way thing. We get asked what we do, are there Americans that can do it....etc. They often also want paperwork.
But you're not going to argue the volume is coming this way? I see the cars lined up in the morning on your side only.
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Free trade agreements. Right. Freedom for the world to come in here and pillage. The hb-1 program. Its all one way. And people who come here for degrees need to go back to their home country to develop their country. Or else we'll never have parity.
Every time I go into Canada I get hasled about what I'm going to do, to the point of being invasive. They want copies of purchase orders and such. My company normally responded with a letter stating that we request entry based on the NAFTA. I wonder how many NEXUS and green cards we issue the other way. Its way lopsided.
We get hassled every time we head your way too bud, it isn't a one-way thing. We get asked what we do, are there Americans that can do it....etc. They often also want paperwork.
But you're not going to argue the volume is coming this way? I see the cars lined up in the morning on your side only.
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Free trade agreements. Right. Freedom for the world to come in here and pillage.
THANK YOU!!
But of course many will STILL scream "free trade, open markets" at the top of their lungs until there is nothing else here, out of fear/loathing that anything else (HEAVEN FORBID some SANE trade regulation, oh NOES!!) would be "commie/socialist".
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Free trade agreements. Right. Freedom for the world to come in here and pillage.
THANK YOU!!
But of course many will STILL scream "free trade, open markets" at the top of their lungs until there is nothing else here, out of fear/loathing that anything else (HEAVEN FORBID some SANE trade regulation, oh NOES!!) would be "commie/socialist".
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Free trade agreements. Right. Freedom for the world to come in here and pillage. The hb-1 program. Its all one way. And people who come here for degrees need to go back to their home country to develop their country. Or else we'll never have parity.
Every time I go into Canada I get hasled about what I'm going to do, to the point of being invasive. They want copies of purchase orders and such. My company normally responded with a letter stating that we request entry based on the NAFTA. I wonder how many NEXUS and green cards we issue the other way. Its way lopsided.
We get hassled every time we head your way too bud, it isn't a one-way thing. We get asked what we do, are there Americans that can do it....etc. They often also want paperwork.
But you're not going to argue the volume is coming this way? I see the cars lined up in the morning on your side only.
Of course not. We have a fraction of your population
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Free trade agreements. Right. Freedom for the world to come in here and pillage. The hb-1 program. Its all one way. And people who come here for degrees need to go back to their home country to develop their country. Or else we'll never have parity.
Every time I go into Canada I get hasled about what I'm going to do, to the point of being invasive. They want copies of purchase orders and such. My company normally responded with a letter stating that we request entry based on the NAFTA. I wonder how many NEXUS and green cards we issue the other way. Its way lopsided.
We get hassled every time we head your way too bud, it isn't a one-way thing. We get asked what we do, are there Americans that can do it....etc. They often also want paperwork.
But you're not going to argue the volume is coming this way? I see the cars lined up in the morning on your side only.
Of course not. We have a fraction of your population
Originally Posted By: ram_man
First thing i thought was "if the quality of the product isnt questionable enough lets ship it to mexico" yea thatll help!!!
They obviously have as short a memory at Ford as the greedy shareholders.
I remember the MKI Focus when it was made in Mexico and that car was riddled with all manner of assembly and quality issues.
It was nearly the identical car to the European model made in Germany. The German built MKI Focus was one of the MOST reliable cars at the time. How coincidental, of course lets not talk about the quality of the Fiesta made in Mexico as well, it too is TERRIBLE, yet the European made Fiesta is quite reliable at this time.
Another serious issue about those vehicles is that they need to be transported to the US and Canadian markets for sale.The plant that makes the Fiesta has had the rail transport held up by drug king pins looking for payment to let the cars through.
First thing i thought was "if the quality of the product isnt questionable enough lets ship it to mexico" yea thatll help!!!
They obviously have as short a memory at Ford as the greedy shareholders.
I remember the MKI Focus when it was made in Mexico and that car was riddled with all manner of assembly and quality issues.
It was nearly the identical car to the European model made in Germany. The German built MKI Focus was one of the MOST reliable cars at the time. How coincidental, of course lets not talk about the quality of the Fiesta made in Mexico as well, it too is TERRIBLE, yet the European made Fiesta is quite reliable at this time.
Another serious issue about those vehicles is that they need to be transported to the US and Canadian markets for sale.The plant that makes the Fiesta has had the rail transport held up by drug king pins looking for payment to let the cars through.
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Originally Posted By: ram_man
First thing i thought was "if the quality of the product isnt questionable enough lets ship it to mexico" yea thatll help!!!
They obviously have as short a memory at Ford as the greedy shareholders.
I remember the MKI Focus when it was made in Mexico and that car was riddled with all manner of assembly and quality issues.
It was nearly the identical car to the European model made in Germany. The German built MKI Focus was one of the MOST reliable cars at the time. How coincidental, of course lets not talk about the quality of the Fiesta made in Mexico as well, it too is TERRIBLE, yet the European made Fiesta is quite reliable at this time.
Another serious issue about those vehicles is that they need to be transported to the US and Canadian markets for sale.The plant that makes the Fiesta has had the rail transport held up by drug king pins looking for payment to let the cars through.
The Fiesta has quality issues. As does the Mexico made fit.
Originally Posted By: ram_man
First thing i thought was "if the quality of the product isnt questionable enough lets ship it to mexico" yea thatll help!!!
They obviously have as short a memory at Ford as the greedy shareholders.
I remember the MKI Focus when it was made in Mexico and that car was riddled with all manner of assembly and quality issues.
It was nearly the identical car to the European model made in Germany. The German built MKI Focus was one of the MOST reliable cars at the time. How coincidental, of course lets not talk about the quality of the Fiesta made in Mexico as well, it too is TERRIBLE, yet the European made Fiesta is quite reliable at this time.
Another serious issue about those vehicles is that they need to be transported to the US and Canadian markets for sale.The plant that makes the Fiesta has had the rail transport held up by drug king pins looking for payment to let the cars through.
The Fiesta has quality issues. As does the Mexico made fit.
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