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Originally Posted By: Trav
Its a good thing, the rest of these parasites will drop off one by one and we will see the return of the DM.


The overwhelming majority of the German People want OUT of the EU, and want to return to the DM, and regain their national sovereignty.
I certainly agree with that sentiment.
 
I personally think a unified Europe is better than a divided one. That may be a stupid statement, but to me it is better if the region has common goals.
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I personally think a unified Europe is better than a divided one. That may be a stupid statement, but to me it is better if the region has common goals.


That's not dissimilar to calling for an America in which fluid states bail out broke states and everyone abides by the same law. The cultural differences are just too great to make it work.
 
Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I personally think a unified Europe is better than a divided one. That may be a stupid statement, but to me it is better if the region has common goals.


That's not dissimilar to calling for an America in which fluid states bail out broke states and everyone abides by the same law. The cultural differences are just too great to make it work.


Good point. That's too bad, really. Of course, I think it's too bad that all humans can't see past their differences. We could accomplish so much...
 
Originally Posted By: Benito


Really? They are the biggest supporter of an integrated Europe. (Always have been).

"They" is the so called elite, and Merkel. "They" are NOT
the overwhelming majority of the German People.
On the contrary the ordinary people are strongly against the EU
but you don't get to hear that because the media forbids it.

Quote:

They are even pro immigration.

Again only the elite are in favor, most all other Germans
are either against it or strongly against it.
You have heard about the hostel burnings? The silent majority are
not complaining, because they want these groups out of Germany.
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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/12/5-key-takeaways-from-the-european-union-survey/


If there ever was a slanted and very socialist group they fit the bill.
 
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I suspect what is said to a polster and what is said amongst friends in a Gasthaus over a bier is quite different.
 
Dunno. He said overwhelming majority. Even if it has shifted say 10pp over a year, there is still no overwhelming majority saying what he is saying that are saying.

Then of course you can say the polling organization have an agenda, or that people don't answer questions honestly, or that the answers are skewed yada yada yada.
 
The poll is mixed.


Point number one is support is rebounding. OK, so everyone likes the benefits of being in the EU.

Take a look at two, but they don't think Brussels listens to them. Majorities in all seven polled nations think the leadership doesn't listen to them.

And why only poll seven nations? How many are in the Euro-zone? The answer is 28. So poll 1/4 of the nations and establish a accurate picture?

Point 3, only 36% have a favorable view of the EU parliament.

Point 4, only 12% have a favorable view on the state of their economies.

Point 5, 55% want to limit immigration.

If these people have a favorable view on the EU, it's either very fragile, or measured by something not expressed in these figures.

Originally Posted By: Benito
Dunno. He said overwhelming majority. Even if it has shifted say 10pp over a year, there is still no overwhelming majority saying what he is saying that are saying.

Then of course you can say the polling organization have an agenda, or that people don't answer questions honestly, or that the answers are skewed yada yada yada.
 
To be clear, he said overwhelming majority of Germans are against the EU. That's the reason I provided the link.

I saw the other results and they are indeed interesting.
 
I tend to believe the Germans are not being honest in a poll.

If your nation was two generations removed from a major genocide, you would probably watch your words when asked by a pollster.

Am I saying all Germans are Xenophobic? Of course not. I was in Germany when the wall came down. I'm not sure they even trusted each other during that phase. But to the outside world, it was a big reunification party.

Now is the number of those trying to "look good" in the polls large enough to significantly change the number? I don't know. But I don't buy that the rank and file German is a big fan of the EU. Even 71% of Germans said their voice wasn't heard in Brussels.

I'm skeptical of the German results on immigration. Of course, I'm a generation removed. But I recall there was little or no love for the Turks who immigrated to Germany.

But then I lived in rural Swabia, so perhaps more urban regions of Germany have a different view on things.

Originally Posted By: Benito
To be clear, he said overwhelming majority of Germans are against the EU. That's the reason I provided the link.

I saw the other results and they are indeed interesting.
 
Its probably better for the USA if the EU dissolves. They are about a trillion bigger in GDP. But it takes 30 countries put together to do that.

I don't trust the Germans for [censored]. They scare the [censored] out of me.
 
Originally Posted By: turtlevette


I don't trust the Germans for [censored]. They scare the [censored] out of me.



Guessing you aren't a big fan of Rammstein then eh? LOL!!
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL


Guessing you aren't a big fan of Rammstein then eh? LOL!!


I don't know what that is. When I was there the mood is oppressive. I really do believe they have vays of dealing vith troublemakers like me.
 
The Greek Crisis will resolve itself once both sides figure out the downside of brinkmanship. Greece cannot survive with it's current 50% Youth Unemployment rate ; history teaches us, with perfect consistency, that male under-30 unemployment above 25% over any length of time leads to massive instability and until the last 50 years meant a near100% chance of war

As for China, or anyone else who has a trade surplus with the US, doing anything with their US Treasury Bonds aside from either buying more of them, or converting them at market rate to other Low-risk US Domestic assets such as Commercial Real Estate, is about zero.

Remember when Americans buy Chinese made goods they pay in US Dollars. It may be a world currency, but ultimately it's only legal tender in America. You earn USD, you can only spend them in the USA (Note 1). Thus buying T-Bills.

#1: An investment might be priced in USD outside the US but those dollars must still be converted to local currency to complete a transaction. If the deal is completed in USD without conversion, one or both parties must have some US asset to buy or sell in order to complete the deal.
 
I wouldn't say German or any other nation in the EU are against this community. At least not the people who work for a living. Older and less informed sure. I'm in a transportation business for years, and there's no way to tell how easier is to work without borders and other obstacles that aren't present any more. As for Germany, why would they be against EU? Their economy is stronger than ever, and extremely competitive.

Italians don't have as favorable opinion because they blame EU for theirs economical problems which in most parts are there because of their own mistakes.

Xenophobia is an always present phenomena when larger group of people of different background come into country. Over here significant number of Brits, Austrian, Germans and Italians are buying properties, and no one is complains because we share the same values, and similar cultures.
Would you in the US have problems if Canadian's start buying properties in USA? On other side of the US in California some members here have mixed feelings about rising Latino community there, and watering down those traditional American values that made the country so strong in the first place.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I tend to believe the Germans are not being honest in a poll.

If your nation was two generations removed from a major genocide, you would probably watch your words when asked by a pollster.

Am I saying all Germans are Xenophobic? Of course not. I was in Germany when the wall came down. I'm not sure they even trusted each other during that phase. But to the outside world, it was a big reunification party.

Now is the number of those trying to "look good" in the polls large enough to significantly change the number? I don't know. But I don't buy that the rank and file German is a big fan of the EU. Even 71% of Germans said their voice wasn't heard in Brussels.

I'm skeptical of the German results on immigration. Of course, I'm a generation removed. But I recall there was little or no love for the Turks who immigrated to Germany.

But then I lived in rural Swabia, so perhaps more urban regions of Germany have a different view on things.

Originally Posted By: Benito
To be clear, he said overwhelming majority of Germans are against the EU. That's the reason I provided the link.

I saw the other results and they are indeed interesting.


IMO your assessment is 100% spot on.
 
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