Originally Posted By: BurrWinder
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Bosch OE parts are great! But Bosch aftermarket parts are [censored].
Yes, I have found that as well... the aftermarket multi electrode Bosch Platinum seem to not be all they are cracked up to be... like alot of things in life...
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Count me as one of those that believes that AC plugs go in GM cars and trucks, Bosch plugs go in European cars, NGK goes in Asian cars, Autolite in a Ford, Mopar in a Chrysler, and Champion plugs should never, ever go in a car, only a small engine such as a lawn mower, leaf blower, etc.
My first experience with this was when I used to drive a VW Dasher. Loved the car, but it did require frequent spark plug changes. One time I tried AC plugs. The car ran like [censored] until I went back to Bosch. Having not fully learned the lesson, later on I put Champion plugs in an Olds Cutlass. That was a terrible experience. For years after that, I wouldn't even buy a Champion plug for a lawn mower. Both times I was using the plug that was supposed to be a direct fit for the car.
So yes, I do stay with the brand of plug a car comes with. But this is based upon solid life experience. Fool me once . . .
I would tend to agree with that also... EXCEPT the fact that Champion are still likely O.E. fitment in like probably 90% of Chrysler products... Just sayin'... I don't believe Mopar even makes a plug anymore... I don't believe AC Delco makes any of their precious metal plugs of their own anymore, either.. NGK's...
BurrWinder
Champion is one of my go-to brands (along with Autolite and NGK), nothing at all wrong with them. But they're no longer universally found OEM in Chrysler products. My 08 Ram had Bosch, my Challenger had Denso. Not sure what's in the JGC (don't plan to go through the pain to find out early, either). IIRC our 05 PT was the last one that I found Champion plugs in.
Spark plugs are for the most part a very standardized piece of engineering and they're all comparable... except for when a company tries to get creative and deviates from the well-refined design- like the Bosch fine-wire platinum electrode flush with the insulator face, and various multi-electrode nonsense like Split-Fire and Bosch tried. Those are when you get a brand with a reputation for "bad" spark plugs.
Trivia: the "C" in "AC" spark plugs stands for "Champion." Albert Champion was involved in starting both companies, and after he died GM bought out his share of AC and it ultimately became a GM subsidiary.
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Bosch OE parts are great! But Bosch aftermarket parts are [censored].
Yes, I have found that as well... the aftermarket multi electrode Bosch Platinum seem to not be all they are cracked up to be... like alot of things in life...
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Count me as one of those that believes that AC plugs go in GM cars and trucks, Bosch plugs go in European cars, NGK goes in Asian cars, Autolite in a Ford, Mopar in a Chrysler, and Champion plugs should never, ever go in a car, only a small engine such as a lawn mower, leaf blower, etc.
My first experience with this was when I used to drive a VW Dasher. Loved the car, but it did require frequent spark plug changes. One time I tried AC plugs. The car ran like [censored] until I went back to Bosch. Having not fully learned the lesson, later on I put Champion plugs in an Olds Cutlass. That was a terrible experience. For years after that, I wouldn't even buy a Champion plug for a lawn mower. Both times I was using the plug that was supposed to be a direct fit for the car.
So yes, I do stay with the brand of plug a car comes with. But this is based upon solid life experience. Fool me once . . .
I would tend to agree with that also... EXCEPT the fact that Champion are still likely O.E. fitment in like probably 90% of Chrysler products... Just sayin'... I don't believe Mopar even makes a plug anymore... I don't believe AC Delco makes any of their precious metal plugs of their own anymore, either.. NGK's...
BurrWinder
Champion is one of my go-to brands (along with Autolite and NGK), nothing at all wrong with them. But they're no longer universally found OEM in Chrysler products. My 08 Ram had Bosch, my Challenger had Denso. Not sure what's in the JGC (don't plan to go through the pain to find out early, either). IIRC our 05 PT was the last one that I found Champion plugs in.
Spark plugs are for the most part a very standardized piece of engineering and they're all comparable... except for when a company tries to get creative and deviates from the well-refined design- like the Bosch fine-wire platinum electrode flush with the insulator face, and various multi-electrode nonsense like Split-Fire and Bosch tried. Those are when you get a brand with a reputation for "bad" spark plugs.
Trivia: the "C" in "AC" spark plugs stands for "Champion." Albert Champion was involved in starting both companies, and after he died GM bought out his share of AC and it ultimately became a GM subsidiary.