High Court Strikes Down Raisin Program as Unconsti
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If the government got around to changing that law written in the 40's then it must have been on a fast track program marked for immediate action.
Programs that involved taxes or taking something from somebody not only stay on the books but often get enhanced. Since politicians don't know anything about business, the economy or working for a living their only answer is to tax and take. That way they have money to cover the markers that got them into office and keep them there.
Now that the politicians have lost this grape program the Girl Scout cookie people had better stay out of sight.
Programs that involved taxes or taking something from somebody not only stay on the books but often get enhanced. Since politicians don't know anything about business, the economy or working for a living their only answer is to tax and take. That way they have money to cover the markers that got them into office and keep them there.
Now that the politicians have lost this grape program the Girl Scout cookie people had better stay out of sight.
Isn't it amazing how politicians of every persuasion have been continually enacting laws that undermine how the free market works, yet continually tell the voters that they are champions of the free market?
And people believe them and in many cases vote for those who specifically promise something to their advantage.
And this has been going on for a long long time.
And people believe them and in many cases vote for those who specifically promise something to their advantage.
And this has been going on for a long long time.
If you like your raisins you can keep your raisins.
This is so bizarre.
I had some raisins with my instant oatmeal for lunch today. LOL
Originally Posted By: Benito
Isn't it amazing how politicians of every persuasion have been continually enacting laws that undermine how the free market works, yet continually tell the voters that they are champions of the free market?
And people believe them and in many cases vote for those who specifically promise something to their advantage.
And this has been going on for a long long time.
That is because the voters are stupid [Not my words]
Isn't it amazing how politicians of every persuasion have been continually enacting laws that undermine how the free market works, yet continually tell the voters that they are champions of the free market?
And people believe them and in many cases vote for those who specifically promise something to their advantage.
And this has been going on for a long long time.
That is because the voters are stupid [Not my words]
Never made sense...full stop.
Australia had a "dried fruit act", and as a kid, we got free sultanas as a result also.
Drying fruits (and meats, and pickling, and making preserves) was a food storage technique to take gluts and make them available "later".
However a particularly good season meant that there was plenty that driers could buy cheap, and sell later when there was a shortage.
Dumping food by burying oranges, or distributing free to schoolkids is another job creation project
Australia had a "dried fruit act", and as a kid, we got free sultanas as a result also.
Drying fruits (and meats, and pickling, and making preserves) was a food storage technique to take gluts and make them available "later".
However a particularly good season meant that there was plenty that driers could buy cheap, and sell later when there was a shortage.
Dumping food by burying oranges, or distributing free to schoolkids is another job creation project
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Never made sense...full stop.
You should brush up on a bit of history. The price support program for raisins, as well as other price support/subsidy programs, made a lot of sense as we were coming out of the depression. Without it there are a number of ag industries that would have collapsed over the years or prices would have skyrocketed for many different ag commodities.
It is one of the primary reasons why we have the world's most abundant food supply and relatively stable prices. The supports need limits, reviews and expirations, along with the goal of becoming self-sustaining, not government dependent. Once that goal is recognized, the program should be phased out. Instead, programs like this are too often used far beyond the point that the objective was achieved.
Never made sense...full stop.
You should brush up on a bit of history. The price support program for raisins, as well as other price support/subsidy programs, made a lot of sense as we were coming out of the depression. Without it there are a number of ag industries that would have collapsed over the years or prices would have skyrocketed for many different ag commodities.
It is one of the primary reasons why we have the world's most abundant food supply and relatively stable prices. The supports need limits, reviews and expirations, along with the goal of becoming self-sustaining, not government dependent. Once that goal is recognized, the program should be phased out. Instead, programs like this are too often used far beyond the point that the objective was achieved.
Pop_Rivit...so it's of the same necessity as the stimulus programmes of the last few years rather than letting the market sort it out ?
I wasn't in favour of a lot of that, but am happy to be educated on why we are so much more indebted now than then, and how much better we are off for owing that money.
I wasn't in favour of a lot of that, but am happy to be educated on why we are so much more indebted now than then, and how much better we are off for owing that money.
Originally Posted By: John_Conrad
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/high-court-strikes-raisin-program-unconstitutional-31939890
interesting
Quite right too.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/high-court-strikes-raisin-program-unconstitutional-31939890
interesting
Quite right too.
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
You should brush up on a bit of history. The price support program for raisins, as well as other price support/subsidy programs, made a lot of sense as we were coming out of the depression. Without it there are a number of ag industries that would have collapsed over the years or prices would have skyrocketed for many different ag commodities.
It is one of the primary reasons why we have the world's most abundant food supply and relatively stable prices. The supports need limits, reviews and expirations, along with the goal of becoming self-sustaining, not government dependent. Once that goal is recognized, the program should be phased out. Instead, programs like this are too often used far beyond the point that the objective was achieved.
Price support schemes, production quotas, subsidy programs, and other "big government" stuff from the federal government have never been necessary. What really works is to have a futures market for commodities, which is what we have for most agricultural products and other things like minerals and currencies. A futures market allows producers and buyers of products to hedge their future sales/purchases, removing a good share of the risk. The speculators, who are commonly villified, actually play an important role by taking the other side of the hedgers' transactions and making the market more liquid. The role that government plays is to make sure everybody plays fair. You cannot allow a big buyer or a group of colluding buyers to put a "short squeeze" on the market by buying everything in sight and holding onto it until the price rises.
You should brush up on a bit of history. The price support program for raisins, as well as other price support/subsidy programs, made a lot of sense as we were coming out of the depression. Without it there are a number of ag industries that would have collapsed over the years or prices would have skyrocketed for many different ag commodities.
It is one of the primary reasons why we have the world's most abundant food supply and relatively stable prices. The supports need limits, reviews and expirations, along with the goal of becoming self-sustaining, not government dependent. Once that goal is recognized, the program should be phased out. Instead, programs like this are too often used far beyond the point that the objective was achieved.
Price support schemes, production quotas, subsidy programs, and other "big government" stuff from the federal government have never been necessary. What really works is to have a futures market for commodities, which is what we have for most agricultural products and other things like minerals and currencies. A futures market allows producers and buyers of products to hedge their future sales/purchases, removing a good share of the risk. The speculators, who are commonly villified, actually play an important role by taking the other side of the hedgers' transactions and making the market more liquid. The role that government plays is to make sure everybody plays fair. You cannot allow a big buyer or a group of colluding buyers to put a "short squeeze" on the market by buying everything in sight and holding onto it until the price rises.
nice discussion, i guess i just like eating raisins but not oranges very much!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K0oYcGD9V0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K0oYcGD9V0
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