Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: southernjeeper
As for using thicker oil than the 10w30 I go with what works for me for the last 150,000miles so I really don't care what Lucas haters say about the stuff.
It's not about being a "hater", it's about having some general knowledge of what the product IS and being curious as to why somebody, who finds out that it is just basically increasing the viscosity of the oil, wouldn't just choose the less expensive route (and the benefit of not diluting the additive package) and use a heavier oil in the first place
I've used (many moons ago) Lucas PS stop leak as well as their transmission goo when I had a rear seal go out on my T5 and wanted to limp it by and needed something that would stay in the case. With the PS system, the seal on the steering box eventually went and I swapped out the box. It never stopped the leak either. Obviously that seal was too far gone for "conditioning".
The first time I saw the Lucas stuff "revealed" was on this site many, MANY moons ago. There were pictures (which I'm sure exist somewhere) of their differential product vs a quality gear lube. It foamed like crazy and caused massive amounts of aeration. Further discussion indicated that their Oil Stabilizer was essentially just heavy bright stock and a tackifier to make it "cling" like chainsaw bar oil (for the gear "test rigs" at your local parts store).
At that point I wrote off all of their products.
And southernjeeper, you and I talked about this before in another thread:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2392856/Re:_They_Call_it_"Luc#Post2392856
And this post lists its contents via a VOA:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2865873/Re:_another_lucas_thread....#Post2865873
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Here is the skinny on LOS
Unless listed all are 'Zero'
Lucas Virgin
TBN - 0.1
Visc - 615.3
FP - 435
Calcium - 3
Magnesium - 1
Phosphorus - 4
Zinc - 2
It has no anti-wear additives. It is just insanely heavy
Also, I found Bob's old test in case you were interested (electrolover linked it in that other thread but the images were dead):
http://web.archive.org/web/20080220235528/http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm
I was here when Bob was doing his experiments (I really liked Bob) and I agree with all of this. And personally I would not use Lucas products either except for maybe their fuel system cleaner, which I sometimes can get very cheap.
What I don't like is when somebody comes to the Oil Additives Section and tells everybody, 'Just use good quality motor oil and no oil supplements.' And especially if that guy at some other time says, 'Use product XXXX instead of MMO (or Kreen, or whatever).' The purpose of this Oil Additives Section, I believe, is for discussion of engine cleaners and oil supplements, both pro and con. I think everybody understands that a person can just use quality motor oil. If a person does use just quality motor oil I don't know why they are even interested in the Oil Additives Section.
I personally have used some supplements that did work for me. For example I used a Lubegard power steering supplement that definitely seemed to work. I know. I was an eyewitness.
If some product is being used and discussed in the Oil Additives Section, I want to hear what guys say about that product-pro and con. It is sort of counter-productive for a guy to show up and say,'You should just use motor oil.' Or for somebody to show up and start telling everybody they should be using some other product. If they want to discuss that product, they can start their own thread.
If MMO is being discussed, is it possible for us to discuss MMO? I understand that some people don't believe in MMO and maybe dislike the people here at this website who like MMO. But I think people should have the right to discuss whatever product they want to discuss-both PRO and CON.
I get really upset when some product is being discussed and somebody arrives and tells everybody, 'You should just use quality motor oil.' I think everybody should understand that just good quality motor oil can be used. If that is what that person believes, why are they in the Oil Additives Section? I am not saying they can't read the posts in the Oil Additives Section. Sure they can. But why would they even be interested?
Now, if somebody wants to start a thread here where they discuss why just good quality motor oil should be used and engine cleaners and oil supplements serve no purpose-that is fine with me. They can certainly start such a post. I would read it. I would be very interested.
The only thing I am saying is if MMO (MMO vs Seafoam in this post) is being discussed maybe the people involved in that discussion have the right to discuss what the post is about. Instead of being lectured that they should just use quality motor oil or somebody pontificating on why they should use some other product. I think it would be very useful that if the discussion is about MMO vs Seafoam, that the discussion should stay on MMO vs Seafoam.
