FILTER MAG is... NOT a good idea?

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I happened upon a pretty convinving argument that putting a filter mag on the exterior is not only "not" useful and not as effective as "dropping IN a magnet"... it also can be harmfull........

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Let's take a look at a cut open oil filter
wrapped in an external Filter Magnet type product.

Where is all the metal deposited?

You are being tricked they show the larger metal particles that have not reached the oil filter element yet. Remember that if you can see metal it is larger than 50 microns, so all of these loose chips of metal would have been caught by the paper media.

Truth is you should never collect metal before it passes into and through the media. What you want to collect with a magnet is any particles that are so small, they go through the media. The ones that are 5, 10 or 15 microns, the ones the SAE documents below say are responsible for 80% of your engines wear.

A more important issue is engineering! These products are in direct conflict with the design an OE Filter company builds into their products.

Note above that oil flows from the outside to the inside of filter but also note the space between walls and media paper, it is extremely tight and narrow.

Now note where the ragged, rough large metal particles are deposited. They all end up in nice little rows along the inner wall of the filter's metal shell. Well those walls are factory finished with high tech paint like coatings that seal and smooth the raw steel so it is virtually a zero friction component.

FACT: The faster and easier the oil flows up the side wall and then into the paper media, the less Horse Power (ie Gasoline) it takes to pump the oil.

The last thing you or the filter manufacturer wants is a rough surface on the inside of that can, it just does not make good sense on any level. Let the filter do it job of removing larger particles and then let our Ceramic Oil Filter Magnets clean up what the spin-on unit misses... it's a winning combo!

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Their claims don't make much sense. It shouldn't matter where you capture the wear-producing metallic particles as long as it is before they get into the engine where they can cause wear, whether that be in the oil pan (magnetic drain plug), before the filter media (magnet on outside of filter), or after the filter media (the product they are pushing?). The filter mags they decry would not only capture large metallic particles but also the sub-20 micron ones that they for some reason want to pass through the filter media. And HP loss due to metal on the inside surface of the filter housing? You have to be kidding me! Pushing the oil through the filter media is the oil filter system restriction point, not the internal surface of the can.
 
Not for me. My filter sits vertical with the threads down. I would never do a drop in magnet in fear of the pressure knocking it down over the inlet impeding the flow. That would be a disaster.
 
Originally Posted By: SumpChump

Note above that oil flows from the outside to the inside of filter but also note the space between walls and media paper, it is extremely tight and narrow.

Now note where the ragged, rough large metal particles are deposited. They all end up in nice little rows along the inner wall of the filter's metal shell. Well those walls are factory finished with high tech paint like coatings that seal and smooth the raw steel so it is virtually a zero friction component.

FACT: The faster and easier the oil flows up the side wall and then into the paper media, the less Horse Power (ie Gasoline) it takes to pump the oil.


I can't tell you how horrible that argument is.

Consider this. What if some event disturbs the metal, ie magnet falls off or shifts or some oil flow hits the pile of metal with more force and disturbs it. Whatever.

Before the filter media design will have the media catch most of it. The smaller particles will tend to magnetize and agglomerate. After the media design allows agglomerated metal slug to go to the system.

What do these after the media magnets look like. I'd be catastrophic for them to end up in the oil galleries blocking passages.
 
Originally Posted By: SumpChump
I happened upon a pretty convinving argument that putting a filter mag on the exterior is not only "not" useful and not as effective as "dropping IN a magnet"... it also can be harmfull........

QUOTE >>>> LINK TO CLAIMS

Let's take a look at a cut open oil filter
wrapped in an external Filter Magnet type product.

Where is all the metal deposited?

You are being tricked they show the larger metal particles that have not reached the oil filter element yet. Remember that if you can see metal it is larger than 50 microns, so all of these loose chips of metal would have been caught by the paper media.

Truth is you should never collect metal before it passes into and through the media. What you want to collect with a magnet is any particles that are so small, they go through the media. The ones that are 5, 10 or 15 microns, the ones the SAE documents below say are responsible for 80% of your engines wear.

A more important issue is engineering! These products are in direct conflict with the design an OE Filter company builds into their products.

Note above that oil flows from the outside to the inside of filter but also note the space between walls and media paper, it is extremely tight and narrow.

Now note where the ragged, rough large metal particles are deposited. They all end up in nice little rows along the inner wall of the filter's metal shell. Well those walls are factory finished with high tech paint like coatings that seal and smooth the raw steel so it is virtually a zero friction component.

FACT: The faster and easier the oil flows up the side wall and then into the paper media, the less Horse Power (ie Gasoline) it takes to pump the oil.

The last thing you or the filter manufacturer wants is a rough surface on the inside of that can, it just does not make good sense on any level. Let the filter do it job of removing larger particles and then let our Ceramic Oil Filter Magnets clean up what the spin-on unit misses... it's a winning combo!

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They have apparently never studied fluid dynamics and the smooth or rough surface would have a very negligible effect on the oil flow. Either surface would have laminar flow or very slow moving oil along the wall. This thin film would be incredibly small. Just a [censored] talker that thinks he knows something more than he does.

Also who came up with the idea of dropping it inside the filter. Wow, if that somehow blocked the oil flow that would be way worse than fluid flow along the metal particles on the sidewall.

Run AWAY!! as fast as you can.
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie
Both ideas are bad.

If this was a real thing don't you think manufacturers would have recommended such by now?


No not based on this, they want to sell cars so wearing out faster may be advantageous to the card manufacturer.
 
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: Stewie
Both ideas are bad.

If this was a real thing don't you think manufacturers would have recommended such by now?


No not based on this, they want to sell cars so wearing out faster may be advantageous to the card manufacturer.


Might as well get rid of oil filters altogether.

Believe or not your engine will last 5 years without oil filter before dying
 
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Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: SumpChump

Note above that oil flows from the outside to the inside of filter but also note the space between walls and media paper, it is extremely tight and narrow.

Now note where the ragged, rough large metal particles are deposited. They all end up in nice little rows along the inner wall of the filter's metal shell. Well those walls are factory finished with high tech paint like coatings that seal and smooth the raw steel so it is virtually a zero friction component.

FACT: The faster and easier the oil flows up the side wall and then into the paper media, the less Horse Power (ie Gasoline) it takes to pump the oil.


I can't tell you how horrible that argument is.

Consider this. What if some event disturbs the metal, ie magnet falls off or shifts or some oil flow hits the pile of metal with more force and disturbs it. Whatever.

Before the filter media design will have the media catch most of it. The smaller particles will tend to magnetize and agglomerate. After the media design allows agglomerated metal slug to go to the system.

What do these after the media magnets look like. I'd be catastrophic for them to end up in the oil galleries blocking passages.


Wow...we both have a "strongly agree" on a POV...

Originally Posted By: Stewie
Both ideas are bad.

If this was a real thing don't you think manufacturers would have recommended such by now?


Look at your diff, gearbox, transfer case, auto tranny...and innumerable industrial hydraulic systems...manufacturers put them in all over the place.

Just that putting them in the outlet tube on the clean side of a filter is dumb.
 
the problem with magnets is you can't install them after the media as far as the flow direction is concerned. you can't tell if they are filtering anything that would get through the media. If the magnet is catching things that the filter would catch anyway, they might be pointless.

Obviously magnets are great for applications with no filters like diffs, gearboxes, etc.
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie


Believe or not your engine will last 5 years without oil filter before dying


Is this considered a long time? Lol.
 
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: Stewie


Believe or not your engine will last 5 years without oil filter before dying


Is this considered a long time? Lol.


Most car manufacturers expect you to have it up to 5 years as most warranties are. (good ones at least)
 
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I wonder where I am on the time line.

Originally Posted By: Stewie
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: Stewie

Believe or not your engine will last 5 years without oil filter before dying

Is this considered a long time? Lol.

Most car manufacturers expect you to have it up to 5 years as most warranties are. (good ones at least)
 
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