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Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Other than a weak crash avoidance system, the Mazda 3 is the safest car Mazda makes. The Mazda 6 is close to the 3, but the 5, CX-5, and CX-9 are death traps.


And exactly what are you basing this opinion off of?

IIHS doesn't agree with you at all on the CX-5 front:

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/cx-5/2015


If you're talking about small overlap accidents, which no car designed a while back (Mazda 5 and CX-9) ever passed, as it's a new test:

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/5/2014
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/cx-9

When it comes to normal types of accidents, you're most likely going to be perfectly fine.
Not a rolling death trap like you so proudly proclaimed.

How many people do you know who died in these three vehicles, by the way?

I've had by CX-5 for 29k miles, and I'm still alive, and kicking.

BC.


Using your chosen website for info. The Mazda certainly not much better than a death trap. lol.
The Mazda isn't as good as a Fiat 500.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/fiat/500

How about this one..

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/subaru/forester

And this one..

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/subaru/outback

And this one..

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/subaru/legacy

And this one..

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/subaru/impreza

Nuff said.


How is the CX-5 a death trap compared to the Fiat 500?
How is the CX-5 a death trap compared to all of those you listed?
It rated Good in all tests (unlike the Fiat 500).
It's rated as a Top Safety Pick+, just like all the vehicles you listed (except the Fiat 500)

Since you allowed the Fiat 500's Poor score in the Overlap test as seemingly acceptable to you as a grade for a vehicle to then not be a death trap, obviously the CX-9 and the Mazda 5 don't qualify as death traps in that test type, either.

So, you're not really doing a good job trying to convince me that I would be safer in my wife's 2012 Fiat 500 Abarth instead of my 2014 Mazda CX-5.

BC.
 
Sorry i didn't see the first link on the 2 on the bottom. It looks the same., the other 2 Mazda are really bad.
No the Fiat 500 isn't any good, its bad in a frontal crash also. Just pointing out these Mazda cars are not any better (in fact worse) than the little Fiat which isn't known as being the safest or most dependable car on the road.
 
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Buy whichever car you like best, you'll get many years of reliable service out of either a Subaru or a Mazda. Luckily I'm still here to give an opinion, that CX9 death trap in my garage hasn't got me...yet!
 
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Other than a weak crash avoidance system, the Mazda 3 is the safest car Mazda makes. The Mazda 6 is close to the 3, but the 5, CX-5, and CX-9 are death traps.


And exactly what are you basing this opinion off of?

IIHS doesn't agree with you at all on the CX-5 front:

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/cx-5/2015


If you're talking about small overlap accidents, which no car designed a while back (Mazda 5 and CX-9) ever passed, as it's a new test:

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/5/2014
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/cx-9

When it comes to normal types of accidents, you're most likely going to be perfectly fine.
Not a rolling death trap like you so proudly proclaimed.

How many people do you know who died in these three vehicles, by the way?

I've had by CX-5 for 29k miles, and I'm still alive, and kicking.

BC.


Oops. Sorry, I made an error on the CX-5, when reviewing the IIHS data. But I stand by my position on the CX-9, the 5, and the 2. They are nowhere near as safe as the offerings from Subaru.

Your argument that the small overlap test is new, really does not make a car that does not do well in that test, any safer. You may recall that when the small overlap test was first proposed, the reasoning was that research had identified an accident scenario that was very dangerous to the occupants. It was news for months. When cars are involved in such accidents, the risk of severe injury is very high. The small overlap is not so new to the auto manufacturers. Instead it was to assure cars were built to address a real safety issue. They have known for some time that IIHS was going to start testing to it. (I'm not sure if NHTSA has started using the small frontal overlap test.) I believe the test was first introduced in 2012. So, most manufacturers have been working for some time to assure that their cars will pass this test.

But, even setting small front overlap aside, the 2, 5, and CX-9 are still not rated as high as new cars should be in other categories. Look at the roof strength of the CX-9. For at least a decade, IIHS has been bringing to everyone's attention the severe injuries in rollovers, and how easily it is to fix. Then look at head restraints in the CX-9 and the 2. And what about side impact in the 5 and the 2?

Then of course, there is active accident prevention technology. In recent months there have been a seemingly endless supply of reports that show this new technology to be the next big leap in auto safety. Subaru has earned top marks for Eyesight.

You are right. I don't know of anyone personally, that has died in a Mazda 5, 2, or CX-9. But I do know that only a few days ago, a report was released with 9 models that had zero highway fatalities in 2014. Among them was the Subaru Legacy. Sorry, there were no Mazda models that made the list.

My point is not to bash Mazda. I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there that love their Mazda cars. But the OP asked for opinions as to a Mazda or a Subaru. My opinion is, I put a lot of weight in many of the qualities that Subaru also has. Safety is one of those. AWD is another. Probably because it is also related to safety. Reliability is another. Crash test data would not suggest that Mazda puts the same priority in safety.
 
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Originally Posted By: quint
Originally Posted By: BHopkins



I'll admit that I'm probably a little prejudiced against Mazda. I still remember their cars with the Wankel engine. Now there is an oil burner. No, that's really not fair. The oil went through the engine so fast, that I doubt it ever had the chance to fully burn. I recall seeing some of these rotary engine Mazdas with the trunk or hatch area just ruined with oil stains, because the owner always kept several quarts of oil in the back.



You dont sound prejudiced, you sound clueless. Do some research on Wankel engines to find out why.



No, not really. I'm familiar with why the Wankel uses so much oil.

Just because oil consumption is inherent to the engine technology doesn't make it any less of an oil burner. We know The causes of why piston engines sometimes burn excessive oil too. Just because we know that doesn't mean that we think it's any more acceptable.
 
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Other than a weak crash avoidance system, the Mazda 3 is the safest car Mazda makes. The Mazda 6 is close to the 3, but the 5, CX-5, and CX-9 are death traps.


And exactly what are you basing this opinion off of?

IIHS doesn't agree with you at all on the CX-5 front:

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/cx-5/2015


If you're talking about small overlap accidents, which no car designed a while back (Mazda 5 and CX-9) ever passed, as it's a new test:

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/5/2014
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/mazda/cx-9

When it comes to normal types of accidents, you're most likely going to be perfectly fine.
Not a rolling death trap like you so proudly proclaimed.

How many people do you know who died in these three vehicles, by the way?

I've had by CX-5 for 29k miles, and I'm still alive, and kicking.

BC.


Oops. Sorry, I made an error on the CX-5, when reviewing the IIHS data. But I stand by my position on the CX-9, the 5, and the 2. They are nowhere near as safe as the offerings from Subaru.

Your argument that the small overlap test is new, really does not make a car that does not do well in that test, any safer. You may recall that when the small overlap test was first proposed, the reasoning was that research had identified an accident scenario that was very dangerous to the occupants. It was news for months. When cars are involved in such accidents, the risk of severe injury is very high. The small overlap is not so new to the auto manufacturers. Instead it was to assure cars were built to address a real safety issue. They have known for some time that IIHS was going to start testing to it. (I'm not sure if NHTSA has started using the small frontal overlap test.) I believe the test was first introduced in 2012. So, most manufacturers have been working for some time to assure that their cars will pass this test.

But, even setting small front overlap aside, the 2, 5, and CX-9 are still not rated as high as new cars should be in other categories. Look at the roof strength of the CX-9. For at least a decade, IIHS has been bringing to everyone's attention the severe injuries in rollovers, and how easily it is to fix. Then look at head restraints in the CX-9 and the 2. And what about side impact in the 5 and the 2?

Then of course, there is active accident prevention technology. In recent months there have been a seemingly endless supply of reports that show this new technology to be the next big leap in auto safety. Subaru has earned top marks for Eyesight.

You are right. I don't know of anyone personally, that has died in a Mazda 5, 2, or CX-9. But I do know that only a few days ago, a report was released with 9 models that had zero highway fatalities in 2014. Among them was the Subaru Legacy. Sorry, there were no Mazda models that made the list.

My point is not to bash Mazda. I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there that love their Mazda cars. But the OP asked for opinions as to a Mazda or a Subaru. My opinion is, I put a lot of weight in many of the qualities that Subaru also has. Safety is one of those. AWD is another. Probably because it is also related to safety. Reliability is another. Crash test data would not suggest that Mazda puts the same priority in safety.


How much did Ford change on the Edge to earn the IIHS "Top Safety Pick" rating for models built after January 2007?
It's essentially the same chassis.
 
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How much did Ford change on the Edge to earn the IIHS "Top Safety Pick" rating for models built after January 2007?
It's essentially the same chassis.

You can make a small running change in the structure. Toyota did the same with the Camry when it didn't survive one of the IIHS tests, and they sold it as a 2012.5/2013.5 model. Honda is issuing a campaign on the new Fit with a new bumper and they'll make that running change as a 2015 model.
 
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