Originally Posted By: emg
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Honda Slashes US production due to shut ports
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Except I can't really see any reason to believe the Yen is going to increase in value. Japan has huge debts, and is in a major demographic decline... the hard part is likely to be finding enough Japanese workers to make those cars in ten or twenty years.
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
I guess in a round about way it is. Perhaps next time Honda has to decide where a trans should be build for a N.A. assembly plant, they might choose to build it here?
Or they might decide it would be better to build the whole thing in Mexico.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
I guess in a round about way it is. Perhaps next time Honda has to decide where a trans should be build for a N.A. assembly plant, they might choose to build it here?
Or they might decide it would be better to build the whole thing in Mexico.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Or they might decide it would be better to build the whole thing in Mexico.
The race (to the very bottom) is on if you read the automotive trade publications all the greedy ivory tower types (that only care about the shareholder and their own pockets) are all rushing to build dozens of plants in Mexico...of course they don't stop to think about the nearly crippling drug cartels, corruption, and very poorly educated workers....but hey it is SOOOOOOOO cheap to do business down there and you have virtual slaves to do the work, even if they aren't very productive...LOL
Or they might decide it would be better to build the whole thing in Mexico.
The race (to the very bottom) is on if you read the automotive trade publications all the greedy ivory tower types (that only care about the shareholder and their own pockets) are all rushing to build dozens of plants in Mexico...of course they don't stop to think about the nearly crippling drug cartels, corruption, and very poorly educated workers....but hey it is SOOOOOOOO cheap to do business down there and you have virtual slaves to do the work, even if they aren't very productive...LOL
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
I guess in a round about way it is. Perhaps next time Honda has to decide where a trans should be build for a N.A. assembly plant, they might choose to build it here?
Or they might decide it would be better to build the whole thing in Mexico.
Well, the newest Fit is made in Mexico.
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
I guess in a round about way it is. Perhaps next time Honda has to decide where a trans should be build for a N.A. assembly plant, they might choose to build it here?
Or they might decide it would be better to build the whole thing in Mexico.
Well, the newest Fit is made in Mexico.
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Well, the newest Fit is made in Mexico.
And it has been an unmitigated disaster too.
From delays, rampant corruption, to seriously crippling quality control problems, and
catasrophic transportation and shipping problems due to cartels damaging and destroying rail lines from Mexico to the USA....
Ford went though the same issues with the Fiesta several years ago and things haven't improved in any meaningful way either.
Actually the reason Honda's recent CEO was fired was
"because Mexico"
Well, the newest Fit is made in Mexico.
And it has been an unmitigated disaster too.
From delays, rampant corruption, to seriously crippling quality control problems, and
catasrophic transportation and shipping problems due to cartels damaging and destroying rail lines from Mexico to the USA....
Ford went though the same issues with the Fiesta several years ago and things haven't improved in any meaningful way either.
Actually the reason Honda's recent CEO was fired was
"because Mexico"
I don't know where you get your misinformation, but he wasn't fired, and Mexico is only a very small part of Honda's trouble.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-ceo-s...s-and-troubles/
http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-ceo-s...s-and-troubles/
An issue of Automotive News mentioned that the current CEO was on thin ice because of the Honda Fit debacle in Mexico. I will try and find the article and post the contents. Fact is that the
fiasco with the Mexican Fit plant largely contributed to the current CEO being fired for all intensive purposes, like most brass tacks they don't get "fired" they leave due to..... (fill in the blank)these execs live by different rules than the rest of us.
fiasco with the Mexican Fit plant largely contributed to the current CEO being fired for all intensive purposes, like most brass tacks they don't get "fired" they leave due to..... (fill in the blank)these execs live by different rules than the rest of us.
While issues with production and quality have happened in the start-up production of the new Fit....it's HARDLY something to be called a "Fiasco" or a "Debacle". Those terms define a crushing defeat or ridiculous failure. That simply isn't the case in the slightest.
The problems Honda has incurred with the Fit are not at all out of the norm for a start-up production plant in Mexico. And as of late...almost all the problems have been fixed.
You de realize the success in addition to the future plants to be built in Mexico, right?
Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, BMW, and Audi. Ever heard of them? They also expect start-up issues but plan on spending billions in investments.
For literally decades (since the 1930's) car companies have had facilities in Mexico.
Including our Big 3.
Debacle? Fiasco? Hardly. Honda is no different than any other company that has bumps in the road.
The problems Honda has incurred with the Fit are not at all out of the norm for a start-up production plant in Mexico. And as of late...almost all the problems have been fixed.
You de realize the success in addition to the future plants to be built in Mexico, right?
Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, BMW, and Audi. Ever heard of them? They also expect start-up issues but plan on spending billions in investments.
For literally decades (since the 1930's) car companies have had facilities in Mexico.
Including our Big 3.
Debacle? Fiasco? Hardly. Honda is no different than any other company that has bumps in the road.
What amazes me is that very few of the employees that work at those Mexican automotive plants can afford anything they actually build. I'm sure human nature being what it is makes them
quite jealous, which has led to sabotage on the lines, it happens quite often. But then again the workforce is very poorly
educated, and due to the poverty many workers are tired, stressed and hungry on the job....outrageous. But those slaves are
cheap to employ and are very subservient, which helps like the already loaded pockets of the executives and shareholders.
quite jealous, which has led to sabotage on the lines, it happens quite often. But then again the workforce is very poorly
educated, and due to the poverty many workers are tired, stressed and hungry on the job....outrageous. But those slaves are
cheap to employ and are very subservient, which helps like the already loaded pockets of the executives and shareholders.
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
as long as they can extort more money from the EVIL company.
Unionized workplaces are adversarial environments. You can root for whomever you want but believing that one side should concede to the other is naive. A balance of power is achieved through negotiation and action that may or may not be what you want.
You can always keep voting for politicians who represent the anti-union ethos; and then maybe forceful coercion by law enforcement can weaken these people who have banded together of free will for common cause.
as long as they can extort more money from the EVIL company.
Unionized workplaces are adversarial environments. You can root for whomever you want but believing that one side should concede to the other is naive. A balance of power is achieved through negotiation and action that may or may not be what you want.
You can always keep voting for politicians who represent the anti-union ethos; and then maybe forceful coercion by law enforcement can weaken these people who have banded together of free will for common cause.
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Originally Posted By: andrewg
as long as they can extort more money from the EVIL company.
Unionized workplaces are adversarial environments. You can root for whomever you want but believing that one side should concede to the other is naive. A balance of power is achieved through negotiation and action that may or may not be what you want.
You can always keep voting for politicians who represent the anti-union ethos; and then maybe forceful coercion by law enforcement can weaken these people who have banded together of free will for common cause.
Grandiose words. Almost sounds noble.
I've been in a union for almost 25 years. Plenty of time to reflect.
Funny how you equate free will with labor unions...can you say hypocritical??
Originally Posted By: andrewg
as long as they can extort more money from the EVIL company.
Unionized workplaces are adversarial environments. You can root for whomever you want but believing that one side should concede to the other is naive. A balance of power is achieved through negotiation and action that may or may not be what you want.
You can always keep voting for politicians who represent the anti-union ethos; and then maybe forceful coercion by law enforcement can weaken these people who have banded together of free will for common cause.
Grandiose words. Almost sounds noble.
I've been in a union for almost 25 years. Plenty of time to reflect.
Funny how you equate free will with labor unions...can you say hypocritical??
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
Because of this debacle I have lost 40 Hrs. of work the past three weeks... I make a product that specifically goes on the Hybrid Civic.... the orders keep being pushed "back". My company is not Unionized.
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
Because of this debacle I have lost 40 Hrs. of work the past three weeks... I make a product that specifically goes on the Hybrid Civic.... the orders keep being pushed "back". My company is not Unionized.
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Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
Sorry for your situation.
Because of this debacle I have lost 40 Hrs. of work the past three weeks... I make a product that specifically goes on the Hybrid Civic.... the orders keep being pushed "back". My company is not Unionized.
Unfortunately you are not unionized, if you were there would likely be a contract stipulation that would provide for still paying you some of those hours anyway.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
Sorry for your situation.
Because of this debacle I have lost 40 Hrs. of work the past three weeks... I make a product that specifically goes on the Hybrid Civic.... the orders keep being pushed "back". My company is not Unionized.
Unfortunately you are not unionized, if you were there would likely be a contract stipulation that would provide for still paying you some of those hours anyway.
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
Sorry for your situation.
Because of this debacle I have lost 40 Hrs. of work the past three weeks... I make a product that specifically goes on the Hybrid Civic.... the orders keep being pushed "back". My company is not Unionized.
Unfortunately you are not unionized, if you were there would likely be a contract stipulation that would provide for still paying you some of those hours anyway.
Or...you can make yourself more valuable to the company through it's training programs (or on your own) and get a job that doesn't take hours away.
A union is the LAST thing you would want.
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://wot.motortrend.com/1502_honda_sla...ort_delays.html
And weren't there some people saying this would somehow be GOOD for US jobs? Because Honda can instantly start manufacturing this transmission in the US Right?
Sorry for your situation.
Because of this debacle I have lost 40 Hrs. of work the past three weeks... I make a product that specifically goes on the Hybrid Civic.... the orders keep being pushed "back". My company is not Unionized.
Unfortunately you are not unionized, if you were there would likely be a contract stipulation that would provide for still paying you some of those hours anyway.
Or...you can make yourself more valuable to the company through it's training programs (or on your own) and get a job that doesn't take hours away.
A union is the LAST thing you would want.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Or...you can make yourself more valuable to the company through it's training programs (or on your own) and get a job that doesn't take hours away.
A union is the LAST thing you would want.
The thing most employees still fail to understand is that
any sense of loyalty by employers to their employees is ancient history, time and time again the way things work today tell those workers that are astute and aware that the only loyalty the company has is to their shareholders, DoB, and Executives..That is all.
I've personally experienced this as a non-union employee as well.
The best protection you have in the workplace is a honest,
well run, Union.
Or...you can make yourself more valuable to the company through it's training programs (or on your own) and get a job that doesn't take hours away.
A union is the LAST thing you would want.
The thing most employees still fail to understand is that
any sense of loyalty by employers to their employees is ancient history, time and time again the way things work today tell those workers that are astute and aware that the only loyalty the company has is to their shareholders, DoB, and Executives..That is all.
I've personally experienced this as a non-union employee as well.
The best protection you have in the workplace is a honest,
well run, Union.
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