Cold numb mindset

[Smokescreen]

I heard about this story when it occurred, but these tapes really are disturbing. How can a pair of 12 year olds be so numb as to commit this crime is beyond me. I have seen the slenderman game segments off of Youtube and finding Nemo is more realistic. No idea how these cold kids could possibly see it as real. Besides the slenderman, the way they describe what they did is beyond my sense of understanding. At least they are being tried as adults.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/02/20/ac-dnt-kaye-slenderman-interrogation-tapes.cnn

 

[ARCOgraphite]

I did not read the article but in most cases, Children are NOT adults and should not be tried as such. Yes they can be devious and nasty and mean, but they have undeveloped brains and socialisation. You cannot let the weight of the crime modify the defendants chronological maturity - it is moronic and illogical.

 

[turtlevette]

I say light em up. What's the problem? De we need a smaller electric chair?

 

[Lolvoguy]

Since they are so young, we should at least allow them their first few killings as "accidents".

Seems the right thing to do

 

[dlundblad]

 

[gman2304]

'Undeveloped brains and socialisation'....huh? We'll give them a pass since they're social skills were lacking and they didn't know that stabbing a peer multiple times was wrong. Speaking of moronic and illogical...Geez!

 

[Turk]

Makes you wonder if the excessive video gaming/social media/electronics
addictions have numbed this generation...

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: Turk
Makes you wonder if the excessive video gaming/social media/electronics
addictions have numbed this generation...


I have no problem with video games, movies, social media etc. but like anything else it should be in moderation. Kids aren't always the ones who abuse this sort of thing either.

 

[Mr Nice]

Sad. It's a game to them. No consequences.

 

[hotwheels]

Originally Posted By: Turk
Makes you wonder if the excessive video gaming/social media/electronics
addictions have numbed this generation...



While I don't discount the possibility that an impressionable person of especially a young age may be affected or incited to certain actions by what they see and play, especially if they lack creativity and tend to rather mimic, it's not like most kids who are exposed to violent video games and movies turn out to be killers. Most turn out fine.

Without knowing all the details, one can only guess, of course. It is plausible the kid is mentally stuck at a much younger age. He may have no empathy, which means he does not even understand that other people can feel pain, sorrow, happiness, etc. Empathy is something humans develp slowly over time. A 2 year-old has no empathy, really. An 8 year-old is less empathic than a 12 year-old. By age 12 one expects a kid to know right from wrong and that he has empathy. However, outliers are not all that uncommon. Most of them do not become killers, though.

We have competence laws with good reason.

hotwheels

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: hotwheels
Originally Posted By: Turk
Makes you wonder if the excessive video gaming/social media/electronics
addictions have numbed this generation...



While I don't discount the possibility that an impressionable person of especially a young age may be affected or incited to certain actions by what they see and play, especially if they lack creativity and tend to rather mimic, it's not like most kids who are exposed to violent video games and movies turn out to be killers. Most turn out fine.

Without knowing all the details, one can only guess, of course. It is plausible the kid is mentally stuck at a much younger age. He may have no empathy, which means he does not even understand that other people can feel pain, sorrow, happiness, etc. Empathy is something humans develp slowly over time. A 2 year-old has no empathy, really. An 8 year-old is less empathic than a 12 year-old. By age 12 one expects a kid to know right from wrong and that he has empathy. However, outliers are not all that uncommon. Most of them do not become killers, though.

We have competence laws with good reason.

hotwheels


Unless you are a sociopath, which doesn't of course remove the ability to understand it but it certainly removes the ability to relate to it.

 

[hotwheels]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: hotwheels
Originally Posted By: Turk
Makes you wonder if the excessive video gaming/social media/electronics
addictions have numbed this generation...



While I don't discount the possibility that an impressionable person of especially a young age may be affected or incited to certain actions by what they see and play, especially if they lack creativity and tend to rather mimic, it's not like most kids who are exposed to violent video games and movies turn out to be killers. Most turn out fine.

Without knowing all the details, one can only guess, of course. It is plausible the kid is mentally stuck at a much younger age. He may have no empathy, which means he does not even understand that other people can feel pain, sorrow, happiness, etc. Empathy is something humans develp slowly over time. A 2 year-old has no empathy, really. An 8 year-old is less empathic than a 12 year-old. By age 12 one expects a kid to know right from wrong and that he has empathy. However, outliers are not all that uncommon. Most of them do not become killers, though.

We have competence laws with good reason.

hotwheels


Unless you are a sociopath, which doesn't of course remove the ability to understand it but it certainly removes the ability to relate to it.


A 5 year-old can show sociopathic traits, but he can't, at least not under US law, be diagnosed as a sociopath until he turns 18. Even if a child has some kind of sociopathic tendencies, it doesn't mean he will become a sociopath, since his mental development is not finished.

The biggest problem is probably that parents often, maybe even usually, will miss the signs that something isn't quite right. Nobody expects their child to be a sociopath or a psychopath in the making and it is probably any parent's natural inclination to make up excuses and to cover for their child. Let's say kids in kindergarten get always hurt around your 5 year-old. Would you suspect he's hurting them on purpose? Or did they just get hurt per chance while roughhousing? He won't become Norman Bates, or will he?

hotwheels

 

[Shannow]

Sometimes there is just plain evil, that needs to not be there anymore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

This was before video game "violence and dissociation" (I'm more akin to calling it possession in some ways)

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I did not read the article but in most cases, Children are NOT adults and should not be tried as such. Yes they can be devious and nasty and mean, but they have undeveloped brains and socialisation. You cannot let the weight of the crime modify the defendants chronological maturity - it is moronic and illogical.


+1. It has been proven that the brain doesn't develop out of adolescence until approx ~22 yrs of age. This was known for sometime but 18 was made the cut off for some reason (probably because the draft age was reduced to 18yrs of age in preparation for WW2).

 

[Smokescreen]

Problem is both these 12 year old's are the same cold unfeeling mindset...not just one, although one is probably more dominant than the other, they both participated willingly and wanted to end this girls life.

50 years ago there were 10-12 year old's running family farms, equipment, taking care of livestock, before that...sometimes they would do all of that on their own should the father leave or be killed. Mental maturity is all over the map, but surely these kids knew what they were doing, the extreme premeditation illustrates it quite fully.

I think there is more to the story than we are being told. It would be interesting to see if these two girls owned/cared for animals or had normal relationships with other people of various ages. Also the motive for the attempted killing being blamed on the slenderman told me to do it is weak and shallow...there must be other factors. For example, why single out this girl to kill? Was she an outsider, were they jealous of her...who knows. Slenderman...that is who?

 

[hotwheels]

Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
Slenderman...that is who?


Slenderman is an internet myth, a horror creature. He looks like a faceless Crispin Glover with tentacles sprouting from his back and with stretchy arms like those of Elastic Girll. He likes to abduct his victims and he often takes their organs. Stephen King 101 stuff.

hotwheels

 

[hotwheels]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Sometimes there is just plain evil, that needs to not be there anymore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

This was before video game "violence and dissociation" (I'm more akin to calling it possession in some ways)


Little Damian was just a mischievous little boy!

hotwheels

 

[Smokescreen]

Originally Posted By: hotwheels
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
Slenderman...that is who?


Slenderman is an internet myth, a horror creature. He looks like a faceless Crispin Glover with tentacles sprouting from his back and with stretchy arms like those of Elastic Girll. He likes to abduct his victims and he often takes their organs. Stephen King 101 stuff.

hotwheels


I know who Slenderman is...I was putting out the questions..that seemingly no one who knew the answers to...that perhaps Slenderman knows the answers to the questions...but since he isn't real, so the claim they were following his bidding is fiction.

 

[hotwheels]

Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
Originally Posted By: hotwheels
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
Slenderman...that is who?


Slenderman is an internet myth, a horror creature. He looks like a faceless Crispin Glover with tentacles sprouting from his back and with stretchy arms like those of Elastic Girll. He likes to abduct his victims and he often takes their organs. Stephen King 101 stuff.

hotwheels


I know who Slenderman is...I was putting out the questions..that seemingly no one who knew the answers to...that perhaps Slenderman knows the answers to the questions...but since he isn't real, so the claim they were following his bidding is fiction.


Some people have always heard voices or woken up with the urge of doing some entity's bidding. Whether or not that's simply a convenient excuse or an actual manifestation of mental illness, or of demonic posession, if you believe in such things, depends on the individual case. As for believing in things that aren't real, it's a poor argument, since what one person believes can be absurd to another.

hotwheels