What do you think the chances of meeting the 54.4 mpg requirements in 10 years might be. Slim or nothing?
2025 government mandated 54.5 mpg
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Probably all kinds of exemptions and loopholes where 54.4 is more like 40. Devil is in the fine print.
Nick1994
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Cars will be even more complicated than they are now and you'll have to be a rocket surgeon to work on one. Ridiculous. I'm sick of hearing about the environment.
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Agreed. It's not the mpg that is all-important, it's the cost of going from point A to point B. That includes the total cost of car ownership.
Not a snowball's chance.
They wont be satisfied till we are all driving lawnmowers with seats.
The 54.5mpg figure is misleading, it doesn't translate directly into EPA window sticker mpg figures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_A...ar.2C_2011-2025
As you can see, the CAFE MPG varies depending on car size.
That being said, 54.5 CAFE MPG will be a hard target to hit in 10 years if oil prices continue to be ~$50 a barrel. Even Toyota has admitted that it'll be impossible to hit with cheap oil because people will be buying more gas guzzlers. Nothing is written in stone though, the standards will be changed if all manufacturers agree that it's not realistic. Worst case scenario, they'll just get fined for selling gas guzzlers (search the CAFE wiki about fines, it's only about $100 per car sold)
As you can see, the CAFE MPG varies depending on car size.
That being said, 54.5 CAFE MPG will be a hard target to hit in 10 years if oil prices continue to be ~$50 a barrel. Even Toyota has admitted that it'll be impossible to hit with cheap oil because people will be buying more gas guzzlers. Nothing is written in stone though, the standards will be changed if all manufacturers agree that it's not realistic. Worst case scenario, they'll just get fined for selling gas guzzlers (search the CAFE wiki about fines, it's only about $100 per car sold)
Well, if the government is taking over we can at least hope we can still pick the color of our new 2025 vehicle and that the government will let us know what the payment will be and when we must take it in for the government mandated service.
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Ridiculous. I'm sick of hearing about the environment.
It's only the air you breathe, the food you eat, and the water you drink, nothing important, right?
Ridiculous. I'm sick of hearing about the environment.
It's only the air you breathe, the food you eat, and the water you drink, nothing important, right?
It all depends on what oil does.
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Originally Posted By: HKPolice
The 54.5mpg figure is misleading, it doesn't translate directly into EPA window sticker mpg figures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_A...ar.2C_2011-2025
As you can see, the CAFE MPG varies depending on car size.
That being said, 54.5 CAFE MPG will be a hard target to hit in 10 years if oil prices continue to be ~$50 a barrel. Even Toyota has admitted that it'll be impossible to hit with cheap oil because people will be buying more gas guzzlers. Nothing is written in stone though, the standards will be changed if all manufacturers agree that it's not realistic. Worst case scenario, they'll just get fined for selling gas guzzlers (search the CAFE wiki about fines, it's only about $100 per car sold)
Interesting point by VW. Looks like the 54.5 mpg is a fictitious number.
Smoke and mirrors, shocker!
The 54.5mpg figure is misleading, it doesn't translate directly into EPA window sticker mpg figures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_A...ar.2C_2011-2025
As you can see, the CAFE MPG varies depending on car size.
That being said, 54.5 CAFE MPG will be a hard target to hit in 10 years if oil prices continue to be ~$50 a barrel. Even Toyota has admitted that it'll be impossible to hit with cheap oil because people will be buying more gas guzzlers. Nothing is written in stone though, the standards will be changed if all manufacturers agree that it's not realistic. Worst case scenario, they'll just get fined for selling gas guzzlers (search the CAFE wiki about fines, it's only about $100 per car sold)
Interesting point by VW. Looks like the 54.5 mpg is a fictitious number.
Smoke and mirrors, shocker!
Originally Posted By: HKPolice
Worst case scenario, they'll just get fined for selling gas guzzlers (search the CAFE wiki about fines, it's only about $100 per car sold)
That's the thing. When the penalties for non-compliance are so low, these mandated fuel economy standards are fairly meaningless.
Worst case scenario, they'll just get fined for selling gas guzzlers (search the CAFE wiki about fines, it's only about $100 per car sold)
That's the thing. When the penalties for non-compliance are so low, these mandated fuel economy standards are fairly meaningless.
Yup, anxiously anticipating what the mfgs come up with.
Anyone living in the 1960s might appreciate the gains that have been made in reducing harmful pollutants from tailpipes.
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http://cires.colorado.edu/news/press/2013/LApollution.html
Anyone living in the 1960s might appreciate the gains that have been made in reducing harmful pollutants from tailpipes.
Liking this
http://cires.colorado.edu/news/press/2013/LApollution.html
Actually, what's going to happen is we'll near the toughest compliance years, the industry will whine incessantly, and congress will back the 54.5 down to maybe 42.
And hey, whats with all the pollution pictures above? Don't you know we prefer the taste of CARcinogenic air?
And hey, whats with all the pollution pictures above? Don't you know we prefer the taste of CARcinogenic air?
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