Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
This is the same argument people use for EGR/DI/FI...Catalytic Converters/DPF/SCR....
You are all right lets all go back to points & simple venturi carbs live will never be easier! 2 stroke diesels as well!!!
Nothing wrong with PCV whether it be through a check valve or simple tube but venting to the atmosphere in your own personal vehicle is just plain rude and bad karma.
If you think your car is that much less offensive to the environment with your emission controls in place, route a hose from your tailpipe into your window, sit in the drivers seat, and run your engine.
If vehicle emissions are evil, wrong, or irresponsible, emissions controls make a car only slightly less so, but still all of the above.
Shaming a person for causing more emissions than yourself is the literal equivalent of shaming a person for leaving a bigger pile of feces after you have both finished squatting where you eat.
Just because your turd to the environment is more polished than mine, does not mean it is therefore free of culpability. After all, a vehicles greatest damage to the environment has already occurred before it even rolls off of the assembly line.
Figure in the additional damages caused by having a scrap rate, crash testing losses, transport, etc., and the pro-rated damage caused by the creation of each single new car is even more grievous than the actual single-car damage values would suggest.
But you keep believing you're doing right by the environment. Somebody told you so, so it must be true.
My quarrel wasn't with emissions mainly but I am glad to have peed in your cherrios I guess...
Tell me how much you like road draft tubes when your vehicle is getting sprayed with oil in traffic or the blow by coming out of semi's stack...ask me how I know. Catch can? Explain that to a 16 yr old these days, or 45 yr old woman...try not to beat your head into the concrete as it would be a maintenance nightmare.
Emission controls when in place and functioning properly make my damage in use of a vehicle as minimal as it can be sans my driving style. Proclaiming that it doesn't matter whether we drive a Prius or a schoolbus as a daily driver is a little asinine which is where I think you are headed in thought.
Frankly it does matter and cars are being manufactured in a lot cleaner ways then they were prior. Does it erase the stain on the environment? No but instead of taking the extreme take the middle ground, better for your health, better for mine, better for everyone's.
The funny part of my feces is I know it stinks but I also know it's not nice make everyone else have to smell it.
Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
This is the same argument people use for EGR/DI/FI...Catalytic Converters/DPF/SCR....
You are all right lets all go back to points & simple venturi carbs live will never be easier! 2 stroke diesels as well!!!
Nothing wrong with PCV whether it be through a check valve or simple tube but venting to the atmosphere in your own personal vehicle is just plain rude and bad karma.
If you think your car is that much less offensive to the environment with your emission controls in place, route a hose from your tailpipe into your window, sit in the drivers seat, and run your engine.
If vehicle emissions are evil, wrong, or irresponsible, emissions controls make a car only slightly less so, but still all of the above.
Shaming a person for causing more emissions than yourself is the literal equivalent of shaming a person for leaving a bigger pile of feces after you have both finished squatting where you eat.
Just because your turd to the environment is more polished than mine, does not mean it is therefore free of culpability. After all, a vehicles greatest damage to the environment has already occurred before it even rolls off of the assembly line.
Figure in the additional damages caused by having a scrap rate, crash testing losses, transport, etc., and the pro-rated damage caused by the creation of each single new car is even more grievous than the actual single-car damage values would suggest.
But you keep believing you're doing right by the environment. Somebody told you so, so it must be true.
My quarrel wasn't with emissions mainly but I am glad to have peed in your cherrios I guess...
Tell me how much you like road draft tubes when your vehicle is getting sprayed with oil in traffic or the blow by coming out of semi's stack...ask me how I know. Catch can? Explain that to a 16 yr old these days, or 45 yr old woman...try not to beat your head into the concrete as it would be a maintenance nightmare.
Emission controls when in place and functioning properly make my damage in use of a vehicle as minimal as it can be sans my driving style. Proclaiming that it doesn't matter whether we drive a Prius or a schoolbus as a daily driver is a little asinine which is where I think you are headed in thought.
Frankly it does matter and cars are being manufactured in a lot cleaner ways then they were prior. Does it erase the stain on the environment? No but instead of taking the extreme take the middle ground, better for your health, better for mine, better for everyone's.
The funny part of my feces is I know it stinks but I also know it's not nice make everyone else have to smell it.
