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"What's something we can sell for zee max profit?" "Let's take mineral oil and market it as a miracle engine lube additive, let's call it zMax because we'll make zee maximum profit from zis plan!"
 
There is no practical or economic way to establish what products like zMax do or don't do. Their advertising may not be a good source of information. The best practice is to pick an engine oil and stick with it and add nothing. Then change it on some kind of reasonable schedule or follow your OLM. And no matter what anyone says about miscibility and the interaction of additives stick with one brand of oil and maybe only change viscosity if weather is a consideration. And use the owners manual, factory specs and the PQIA Website to guide your final selection. Avoid advice from well meaning friends and your local quickie oil change adviser. Be wary of bulk oil and mechanics or dealers that give you advice that goes against these guidelines.
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
"What's something we can sell for zee max profit?" "Let's take mineral oil and market it as a miracle engine lube additive, let's call it zMax because we'll make zee maximum profit from zis plan!"



It may not be all a scam. There is a user on here who got interesting results when running it. He cut open his filters before using zmax and got regular dirty oil. He then cut open filters after running zmax and it was thick, nasty stuff in the filter. It would sure be nice to get people to discuss those results without flaming and see if anyone can explain what exactly happened in that application. It did something but was it good or bad?
 
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
"What's something we can sell for zee max profit?" "Let's take mineral oil and market it as a miracle engine lube additive, let's call it zMax because we'll make zee maximum profit from zis plan!"



It may not be all a scam. There is a user on here who got interesting results when running it. He cut open his filters before using zmax and got regular dirty oil. He then cut open filters after running zmax and it was thick, nasty stuff in the filter. It would sure be nice to get people to discuss those results without flaming and see if anyone can explain what exactly happened in that application. It did something but was it good or bad?


Perhaps those globs were oxidized mineral oil?
 
Snake oil breakdown? The oil used was likely api certified to be safe for use, the additive has no such certification.
 
Tricresyl phosphate by the way, and is is a plasticizer and fuel additive (apparently a lead scavenger) in some obscure applications. Where did you see it is used in "aerospace" other than perhaps the manufacturer's own website? And are we talking fuel or oil additive?

Originally Posted By: Pontual
Tryclesilphosfate, is ashless, and cleans! An airspace product by the way.
 
Originally Posted By: Pontual
Tryclesilphosfate, is ashless, and cleans! An airspace product by the way.


I don't know what this comment has to do with Zmax. Zmax does not contain any TCP and has no connection to TCP.

TCP is used in aerospace hydraulic fluids and some phosphate forms are used in turbine engine oils, but that is about it.
 
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
"What's something we can sell for zee max profit?" "Let's take mineral oil and market it as a miracle engine lube additive, let's call it zMax because we'll make zee maximum profit from zis plan!"



It may not be all a scam. There is a user on here who got interesting results when running it. He cut open his filters before using zmax and got regular dirty oil. He then cut open filters after running zmax and it was thick, nasty stuff in the filter. It would sure be nice to get people to discuss those results without flaming and see if anyone can explain what exactly happened in that application. It did something but was it good or bad?


Perhaps those globs were oxidized mineral oil?


The most likely scenario.
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
"What's something we can sell for zee max profit?" "Let's take mineral oil and market it as a miracle engine lube additive, let's call it zMax because we'll make zee maximum profit from zis plan!"



It may not be all a scam. There is a user on here who got interesting results when running it. He cut open his filters before using zmax and got regular dirty oil. He then cut open filters after running zmax and it was thick, nasty stuff in the filter. It would sure be nice to get people to discuss those results without flaming and see if anyone can explain what exactly happened in that application. It did something but was it good or bad?


Perhaps those globs were oxidized mineral oil?


The most likely scenario.


Why would it oxidize so quickly?
 
I think it is equally likely that there was no thick nasty stuff, or that it had nothing to do with zMax.

Originally Posted By: badtlc
It may not be all a scam. There is a user on here who got interesting results when running it. He cut open his filters before using zmax and got regular dirty oil. He then cut open filters after running zmax and it was thick, nasty stuff in the filter. It would sure be nice to get people to discuss those results without flaming and see if anyone can explain what exactly happened in that application.
 
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
BMWTurboDzl said:
badtlc said:
LoneRanger said:
"What's something we can sell for zee max profit?" "Let's take mineral oil and market it as a miracle engine lube additive, let's call it zMax because we'll make zee maximum profit from zis plan!"



It may not be all a scam. There is a user on here who got interesting results when running it. He cut open his filters before using zmax and got regular dirty oil. He then cut open filters after running zmax and it was thick, nasty stuff in the filter. It would sure be nice to get people to discuss those results without flaming and see if anyone can explain what exactly happened in that application. It did something but was it good or bad?...



Because, 1) unless you know the full sequence of events (which was not fully stated), 2) and unless you do a thorough analyses (not just a $25 UAO), 3) the full condition of the engine before and after treatment, you cannot make an educated assessment with any certainty.

No flaming, just the facts!
 
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule


Because, 1) unless you know the full sequence of events (which was not fully stated), 2) and unless you do a thorough analyses (not just a $25 UAO), 3) the full condition of the engine before and after treatment, you cannot make an educated assessment with any certainty.

No flaming, just the facts!


I swear half the time you don't read what people actually post. There was no UOA involved. Speculation is all that can be done on this board and you do it plenty. It is interesting how you avoid with respect to the zMax videos posted.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
I think it is equally likely that there was no thick nasty stuff, or that it had nothing to do with zMax.



The video is there to see for yourself. No need to guess. Only one known variable changed after cutting many filters before.
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Pontual
Tryclesilphosfate, is ashless, and cleans! An airspace product by the way.


I don't know what this comment has to do with Zmax. Zmax does not contain any TCP and has no connection to TCP.

TCP is used in aerospace hydraulic fluids and some phosphate forms are used in turbine engine oils, but that is about it.


Did you do an analysis of ZMax? If so what is the primary ingredient? Thanks.

It is another one of those controversial products around here.
 
I did a full elemental analysis and found no additives whatsover.

A former colleague of mine ran a full GC-FTIR scan and found only mineral oil, asymmetric ethers, and some dye. The asymmetric ethers and dye are added to the fuel treatment version.
 
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: MolaKule


Because, 1) unless you know the full sequence of events (which was not fully stated), 2) and unless you do a thorough analyses (not just a $25 UAO), 3) the full condition of the engine before and after treatment, you cannot make an educated assessment with any certainty.

No flaming, just the facts!


I swear half the time you don't read what people actually post. There was no UOA involved. Speculation is all that can be done on this board and you do it plenty. It is interesting how you avoid with respect to the zMax videos posted.


I responded to the videos and as I recall, you didn't like the answers.

And yes speculation is all you have.
 
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