Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: rockydee
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
What's their reason for including instructions related to your oil change?
I don't rely on them to tell me when to use it, let alone when I should change my oil. Of course they'd want me to use it every 3k and as 'maintenance' dosing in between full bottle treatments.
UOAs confirm it puts more insols in the oil. So...there is that. How much longer do you want to have an 'aggressive' cleaning that results in 'potentially' more crud for your engine to have filtered out or cause perhaps particle streaking?
For peace of mind, use it and change the oil.
What happens to the millions of people who never heard of a uoa and read the bottle and use it as directed? You think they're wrecking
their engines?- I doubt it. There is nothing wrong with doing it before you drop your oil, if that makes you comfortable. But i wouldn't lose a minutes sleep doing it at any point during your run cycle. If I could see some kind of white papers proving that using a injector cleaner and not changing your oil is going to ruin an engine, i'd be real concerned. I think the FI cleaner makers would be a bit worried themselves, co's like Red-line and Chevron test their stuff. I think we tend to over analyze these things. Now adding the cleaner every 3K miles, no need if you use good gas.-RD
No, I suppose one particle streak won't cause an engine to blow up. That wasn't exactly my point, though. Nor hardly what I was suggesting. I'm simply referring to perhaps optimal use for those that care enough. If you don't care, move along the meticulous decision making isn't for you.
Hey, use conventional every 3k miles or 3 months. Don't do UOAs and just follow the directions. Why are we even on this site?
I'm here for the same reasons you are I bet. I have no idea what your credentials are I won't bore you with mine, lets just say I been around the block, and know my way around an engine.
When you've logged over half a million miles on two engines w/o a rebuild give me a holler. I know how to maintain them, and its not with dino and 3K changes, uoa reports, or adding fi cleaner and dumping my oil. If it works out that way, great, if not I don't lose one bit of sleep over it.
Sorry it bothers you that my opinion differs from yours. I don't go after people who don't agree with me, and ask why they're here. It seems I'm not getting that same level of respect from you. A lot of people get all hot under the collar for nothing.-RD
Honestly, it felt like you attacked my post. So...yeah. Maybe re-read what I wrote after the tit-for-tat between the previous comments, and notice your response.
Did you not catch my attempt to directly talking about the matter at hand instead of imputing motives to people? Not the goal of my post at all. I'm saying hey lets ignore what a bottle says that is only dealing with advertising how to use their product in of itself. Including oil change instructions or not does not support/disprove methods post-cleaning in any way objectively.
I don't have a problem with alternate strategies, but I simply described what is proven to take place on the small-scale. Did I state it's the only way things should be done? I did not mean to imply anything on those that do w/e the heck they want to do with their cars as opposed.
This doesn't make those that 'dont' do the OCD version neglectful, but at the same time there are numerous experiences of neglected apps getting treatments; through fuel and crankcase, that have bad results after. (hey, maybe they just clogged the fuel filter?)
No, what I try and attempt to bring to discussion is the way to eliminate risk. I was attempting to provide an objective contribution and you attacked it, making it personal. That's why you got the response you did.
Not that it makes it right. That's the entire point. I just wanted to be objective sir, nothing personal. Passion vs hot-head can easily be misconstrued through typing, email, or text. Please, re-consider the point of what I contributed.
Describing the dynamic of what happens after adding fuel system cleaner to your fuel in a concentrated dose is within it's own context.
Now, how can we POSSIBLY prove or discuss what that means over the engine's life? There is no one scientifically documenting their experience.
So, if we reason that adding FSC to a dirty fuel system adds insolubles to the engine oil prove to me it isn't perhaps 'best' to remove those insols by way of a follow-up oil change?
(granted, how many people even honestly buy and use reputable detergent-type FSC that own cars since you wanted to include the entire driving world by your post?)
Most of the time and in general this doesn't matter in terms of what can be measured. Do you think an engine ever failed after treatment of the fuel system with an in-tank cleaner? That's not what I think. This wasn't an effort to make some personal argument over experiences. Objectively speaking, though it could matter without you ever knowing it at the SAME TIME. lol Which is the entire point.
However, I am sorry about being direct in an attempt of objective discussion. Not the goal and I didn't mean to offend.
The previous comments before mine got me wanting to get to the point and stop attacking people.
