Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
You seem to be emotionally focused on this issue.
Not emotionally. But I've run a case of 24 of these filters and have had zero failures. I've also taken the time to look back at the number of these filters that have been cut, and the data presented supports what I've stated.
Which brings me to answer this:
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
Re-read what I posted and quote what in your opinion isn't factual.
This is the part I take issue with:
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
I reckon you can take that up with the keeper of the spreadsheet, but for now,
it exists.
What are you defining as "it"? The fact that we have two cases (of how many filters?) of Motorcraft FL-820S filters with media failures? It exists because somebody decided to track the Purolator (and Purolator made) filters in a spreadsheet.
It (as an issue) exists the same as it exists with other filters on here. My point is that media failure isn't a Purolator exclusive. It IS however more prevalent as of late with their filters. From what I have observed, that increase in failures does not apply to the FL-820S filters.
An example:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1806202
The 2nd post has the same "media poke" failure model of the discussed Motorcraft.
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
I find your analyses to be pure speculation, again proving Clevy wrong
Originally Posted By: Clevy
We tend to run on facts and data,and you seem to have strong opinions.
Well quite frankly, while I find your posting on base oils a wonderful contribution to the board, your posts in this section don't seem to have the same substance. You haven't done any sort of statistical analysis of the failure rates of the Motorcraft filters compared to the Purolator ones. We have a spreadsheet that tracks the Purolator failures. It has two FL-820S filters on it. That's not enough for either of us to draw any conclusion other than we've seen two failures of a PILE of the FL-820S filters cut on this board. Which, IMHO, isn't any more statistically significant than the two FRAM failures I just linked to. But we don't have a FRAM failure tracking spreadsheet. See what I'm saying?
I KNOW you are a smart guy. Many of your posts are absolutely FANTASTIC. I have a great deal of respect for you because of that. The Purolator tear issue is certainly real. We've seen an obscene number of torn filters; an incredibly high percentage of those cut and posted have been torn relative to other filters on here. My contention is with lumping in the Motorcraft filters, which, based on what I've seen, are not experiencing the same rate of failure. That doesn't mean they are immune, but there doesn't seem to be the same common thread of media tearing at the potting and occurring regularly. If it were, going back a few pages, and looking at the cut FL-820S filters, going by the rate that the Purolator failures are popping up at, some of those filters would be torn. But they aren't.
I have not seen sufficient data to indicate to me that the FL-820S is the same sort of risk as a Classic or PureONE. I would need to see more failures, and failures of the kind we've seen with the other Purolator branded and Purolator-made filters before I could reach that conclusion. If we start seeing more of them, I will re-evaluate my position on the matter.
