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Originally Posted By: ddtmoto
Of course this is due to one particular political party, Duh, the one that is currently in charge and has been for 6 years. They could change all of these unconstitutional abusive issues for the betterment of the American people they supposedly work for and represent, but things just get more restrictive and more punitive for law abiding 'we the people'. Apparently, the ones in power, right now, like it this way.....so sad for our once great republic and free America.
Can't tell if you're trolling but this has been going on since the 1980s war on drugs and probably before that.
Anyone in opposition is "soft on crime/terrorism/kid porn/'murica".
Of course this is due to one particular political party, Duh, the one that is currently in charge and has been for 6 years. They could change all of these unconstitutional abusive issues for the betterment of the American people they supposedly work for and represent, but things just get more restrictive and more punitive for law abiding 'we the people'. Apparently, the ones in power, right now, like it this way.....so sad for our once great republic and free America.
Can't tell if you're trolling but this has been going on since the 1980s war on drugs and probably before that.
Anyone in opposition is "soft on crime/terrorism/kid porn/'murica".
I thought this was common knowledge in the business world, the IRS is very powerful. If they think you are doing something they take all your money and its a nightmare getting it back.
Originally Posted By: ddtmoto
Of course this is due to one particular political party, Duh, the one that is currently in charge and has been for 6 years. They could change all of these unconstitutional abusive issues for the betterment of the American people they supposedly work for and represent, but things just get more restrictive and more punitive for law abiding 'we the people'. Apparently, the ones in power, right now, like it this way.....so sad for our once great republic and free America.
Of course someone had to say this, because all of the problems we face as a country can be blamed upon the guy in the Oval Office.
The irony is that liberals do tend to lean towards opposing these types of law enforcement policies. Generally speaking it's the non Tea Party Republican types that lean towards being trusting of supporting anything law enforcement wants, even if it's something as ridiculous as civil forfeiture.
It's sad that I should have to say this, but please note that I am speaking in generalities.
Of course this is due to one particular political party, Duh, the one that is currently in charge and has been for 6 years. They could change all of these unconstitutional abusive issues for the betterment of the American people they supposedly work for and represent, but things just get more restrictive and more punitive for law abiding 'we the people'. Apparently, the ones in power, right now, like it this way.....so sad for our once great republic and free America.
Of course someone had to say this, because all of the problems we face as a country can be blamed upon the guy in the Oval Office.
The irony is that liberals do tend to lean towards opposing these types of law enforcement policies. Generally speaking it's the non Tea Party Republican types that lean towards being trusting of supporting anything law enforcement wants, even if it's something as ridiculous as civil forfeiture.
It's sad that I should have to say this, but please note that I am speaking in generalities.
Yes their party fund. Crooked....
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
A young man was traveling by car from New York to California to purchase the car of his dreams for $20K. He was stopped by the police at 3 AM for a rolling stop on a rural highway in the mid west. He had a clean record, no arrests or conviction of any kind. He was asked if he was carrying any cash and he responded that he had $20K. He produced a copy of the eBay print out and emails concerning the purchase including the name, phone number and address of the seller and photos of the car. The police claimed that in reality he was traveling to California to purchase drugs and confiscated the cash and the car he was driving without arresting him or charging him with a crime of any kind. This citizen finally gave up trying to reclaim his money when he realized that the legal fees would exceed $20K plus the value of his car. This happened 2 years ago and even though the story was reported and the deal to buy the dream car proved to be true this citizen never recovered his money or the car. There is something very wrong going on here. I think that this citizen could have arranged to purchase drugs in New York without the trouble and expense of traveling to California. The police could have confirmed with a quick phone call to the New York Police that illegal drugs are available for sale in New York and that the deal to purchase the dream car in California was in fact true. The final insult was the statement in court from the local chief of police that they use seized cash to purchase extras for the department that would not otherwise be approved, items and services not directly related to the business of running the police department.
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
A young man was traveling by car from New York to California to purchase the car of his dreams for $20K. He was stopped by the police at 3 AM for a rolling stop on a rural highway in the mid west. He had a clean record, no arrests or conviction of any kind. He was asked if he was carrying any cash and he responded that he had $20K. He produced a copy of the eBay print out and emails concerning the purchase including the name, phone number and address of the seller and photos of the car. The police claimed that in reality he was traveling to California to purchase drugs and confiscated the cash and the car he was driving without arresting him or charging him with a crime of any kind. This citizen finally gave up trying to reclaim his money when he realized that the legal fees would exceed $20K plus the value of his car. This happened 2 years ago and even though the story was reported and the deal to buy the dream car proved to be true this citizen never recovered his money or the car. There is something very wrong going on here. I think that this citizen could have arranged to purchase drugs in New York without the trouble and expense of traveling to California. The police could have confirmed with a quick phone call to the New York Police that illegal drugs are available for sale in New York and that the deal to purchase the dream car in California was in fact true. The final insult was the statement in court from the local chief of police that they use seized cash to purchase extras for the department that would not otherwise be approved, items and services not directly related to the business of running the police department.
The solution to this is untrue accusations result in the reimbursement of legal costs and the falsely accused getting 3x their money back, tax free.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I thought this was common knowledge in the business world, the IRS is very powerful. If they think you are doing something they take all your money and its a nightmare getting it back.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I thought this was common knowledge in the business world, the IRS is very powerful. If they think you are doing something they take all your money and its a nightmare getting it back.
The Washington Post published a remarkable series back in September on this "civil forfeiture" nonsense. It's worse than you think, with involvement of private companies "training" local law enforcement how to get away with it with the full support of the Federal government.
Two of the guys who were instrumental back in the 80s (yes folks, under Ronald Regan) in getting this capability established subsequently wrote an Op-Ed calling for it to be stopped.
The Post then followed it up with an expose on the ridiculous military type gear those stolen funds are then used to purchase.
This is a stunning abuse of our citizens that everyone regardless of political leanings should be outraged about.
jeff
Two of the guys who were instrumental back in the 80s (yes folks, under Ronald Regan) in getting this capability established subsequently wrote an Op-Ed calling for it to be stopped.
The Post then followed it up with an expose on the ridiculous military type gear those stolen funds are then used to purchase.
This is a stunning abuse of our citizens that everyone regardless of political leanings should be outraged about.
jeff
Typical of government, grown out of control by all parties involved.
Once agencies get large enough they practically acquire a life of their own and fight vigorously for their share of the pie.
And WE are the pie.
Until folks learn that the growth of their government is NOT a good thing and is unlikely to improve their quality of life not much will change...
Once agencies get large enough they practically acquire a life of their own and fight vigorously for their share of the pie.
And WE are the pie.
Until folks learn that the growth of their government is NOT a good thing and is unlikely to improve their quality of life not much will change...
Originally Posted By: javacontour
The solution to this is untrue accusations result in the reimbursement of legal costs and the falsely accused getting 3x their money back, tax free.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I thought this was common knowledge in the business world, the IRS is very powerful. If they think you are doing something they take all your money and its a nightmare getting it back.
Make that 10x. There should be a high hurdle before this happens. What I dont understand is how the people that do this sleep at night.
The solution to this is untrue accusations result in the reimbursement of legal costs and the falsely accused getting 3x their money back, tax free.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I thought this was common knowledge in the business world, the IRS is very powerful. If they think you are doing something they take all your money and its a nightmare getting it back.
Make that 10x. There should be a high hurdle before this happens. What I dont understand is how the people that do this sleep at night.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
The solution to this is untrue accusations result in the reimbursement of legal costs and the falsely accused getting 3x their money back, tax free.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Why should we the taxpayer, pay 3x for the mistakes of overzealous individuals?
The consequences should be for the false accuser.
The solution to this is untrue accusations result in the reimbursement of legal costs and the falsely accused getting 3x their money back, tax free.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Why should we the taxpayer, pay 3x for the mistakes of overzealous individuals?
The consequences should be for the false accuser.
Originally Posted By: greenjp
The Washington Post published a remarkable series back in September on this "civil forfeiture" nonsense. It's worse than you think, with involvement of private companies "training" local law enforcement how to get away with it with the full support of the Federal government.
Two of the guys who were instrumental back in the 80s (yes folks, under Ronald Regan) in getting this capability established subsequently wrote an Op-Ed calling for it to be stopped.
The Post then followed it up with an expose on the ridiculous military type gear those stolen funds are then used to purchase.
This is a stunning abuse of our citizens that everyone regardless of political leanings should be outraged about.
jeff
Agree 100%. This is not a political issue, it's an issue of liberty. And it's interesting to observe the reaction to dissent against over reaching authority. I've been told I hate the police and most recently I've been told I should leave the country.
Is it any surprise that civil liberties are being abused when the general populace actually enables it with views such as those?
The Washington Post published a remarkable series back in September on this "civil forfeiture" nonsense. It's worse than you think, with involvement of private companies "training" local law enforcement how to get away with it with the full support of the Federal government.
Two of the guys who were instrumental back in the 80s (yes folks, under Ronald Regan) in getting this capability established subsequently wrote an Op-Ed calling for it to be stopped.
The Post then followed it up with an expose on the ridiculous military type gear those stolen funds are then used to purchase.
This is a stunning abuse of our citizens that everyone regardless of political leanings should be outraged about.
jeff
Agree 100%. This is not a political issue, it's an issue of liberty. And it's interesting to observe the reaction to dissent against over reaching authority. I've been told I hate the police and most recently I've been told I should leave the country.
Is it any surprise that civil liberties are being abused when the general populace actually enables it with views such as those?
I never said it should be the taxpayer. I'd be all about taking it from the bureaucrat that does this and those in his/her management chain.
If that's not feasable, then craft the law such that the budget of the IRS is reduced by the amount the federal government had to reimburse the previous year to be revenue neutral. In inflation adjusted dollars. Not against this years budget estimate, but rather this years budget would be last years adjusted for inflation, minus the amount paid in reimbursements, again adjusted for inflation.
Probably the way to do it is to give the IRS 30 days to prove the money is part of an illegal enterprise and if they don't they have to return it in 30 days or gamble they are right, but the IRS faces a stiff penalty if wrong.
The problem is this the IRS is like the house in a casino. They can outlast the typical player who will eventually fold.
The playing field must be leveled somehow. Either put limits on how long the IRS can tie up a taxpayers cash and/or still penalties for delaying returning or filing charges.
Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Originally Posted By: javacontour
The solution to this is untrue accusations result in the reimbursement of legal costs and the falsely accused getting 3x their money back, tax free.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Why should we the taxpayer, pay 3x for the mistakes of overzealous individuals?
The consequences should be for the false accuser.
If that's not feasable, then craft the law such that the budget of the IRS is reduced by the amount the federal government had to reimburse the previous year to be revenue neutral. In inflation adjusted dollars. Not against this years budget estimate, but rather this years budget would be last years adjusted for inflation, minus the amount paid in reimbursements, again adjusted for inflation.
Probably the way to do it is to give the IRS 30 days to prove the money is part of an illegal enterprise and if they don't they have to return it in 30 days or gamble they are right, but the IRS faces a stiff penalty if wrong.
The problem is this the IRS is like the house in a casino. They can outlast the typical player who will eventually fold.
The playing field must be leveled somehow. Either put limits on how long the IRS can tie up a taxpayers cash and/or still penalties for delaying returning or filing charges.
Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Originally Posted By: javacontour
The solution to this is untrue accusations result in the reimbursement of legal costs and the falsely accused getting 3x their money back, tax free.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Why should we the taxpayer, pay 3x for the mistakes of overzealous individuals?
The consequences should be for the false accuser.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Typical of government, grown out of control by all parties involved.
Once agencies get large enough they practically acquire a life of their own and fight vigorously for their share of the pie.
And WE are the pie.
Until folks learn that the growth of their government is NOT a good thing and is unlikely to improve their quality of life not much will change...
The chances that the masses recognize that our overall system of governance is inherently a problem and then actually acting on it are negligible to none.
With record dissatisfaction of Congress, more than half the people have given up, and those who bother to vote are only thinking within the parameters given to them by politicians and the media.
Typical of government, grown out of control by all parties involved.
Once agencies get large enough they practically acquire a life of their own and fight vigorously for their share of the pie.
And WE are the pie.
Until folks learn that the growth of their government is NOT a good thing and is unlikely to improve their quality of life not much will change...
The chances that the masses recognize that our overall system of governance is inherently a problem and then actually acting on it are negligible to none.
With record dissatisfaction of Congress, more than half the people have given up, and those who bother to vote are only thinking within the parameters given to them by politicians and the media.
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: javacontour
The solution to this is untrue accusations result in the reimbursement of legal costs and the falsely accused getting 3x their money back, tax free.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I thought this was common knowledge in the business world, the IRS is very powerful. If they think you are doing something they take all your money and its a nightmare getting it back.
Make that 10x. There should be a high hurdle before this happens. What I dont understand is how the people that do this sleep at night.
They are sociopaths.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
The solution to this is untrue accusations result in the reimbursement of legal costs and the falsely accused getting 3x their money back, tax free.
As long as there are no consequences for false accusations, this will continue.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
I thought this was common knowledge in the business world, the IRS is very powerful. If they think you are doing something they take all your money and its a nightmare getting it back.
Make that 10x. There should be a high hurdle before this happens. What I dont understand is how the people that do this sleep at night.
They are sociopaths.
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