New Prestone Coolant? Pics

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Originally Posted By: Motorking
PEAK? a 22 yr old product from a company with zero OE business. Prestone is the OE supplier for three of the four largest car companies in the world.

AFAIK, CCI which supplies Toyota/Honda/Nissan/Subaru with their OEM coolant supplies Old World Industries - even though PGL is NOT an OEM formula. Xerex is more than likely BASF's North American distributor - seeing how they market G-05 and I think they also have a contract with BMW, VW and Mercedes to bottle their coolants.

I know you can't spill the beans here but what is the new add pack in Prestone?
 
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Mooorons and dubious marketing. All makes and all models then why would OEMs even be selling their coolant chemistries. Never ever like Prestone and their formulations, they blow up engines, thats all they do!!!
 
Prime is a private label Prestone brand. It is made in IAT (conventional green silicate) and OAT (organic acid versions). Good stuff but not as good a corrosion inhibitor package as the yellow bottle.
 
That is what is called a OES part. (original equipment service) It is not the same as what they are delivered with from the factory.
 
There is no OEM making coolant. OE coolants in the USA are made by Valvoline, Prestone and Shell. Supplying three of the largest car makers in the USA, we are very familiar with whats in the radiator and have conducted millions of miles of fleet test on 24 brands of vehicles to prove out our product.
 
I cant as you say "spill the beans" and not that it would matter, I am a mechanic, not a chemist. They additive package in the new product is so good that we saw virtually no wear in cooling system components all the way out to 250k+ miles in fleet testing. We also use a Water pump dyno that purposely induces cavitation and with the new ad pack, cavitation damage was completely eliminated.
 
moron? Prestone has over 100 patents on coolants. Show me ONE engine "blown up by Prestone" please. I have used Prestone extended life coolant in my shop for ten years, on every make of car, domestic, japanese and euro. Also have been suing it in motorycles, ATV's and snowmobiles and have never seen as issue. We have sold 350 million gallons of this coolant have have never have a warranty claim for an engine, rad or heater core. We stand behind our products and claims.
 
Magnum,
We could slightly tweak the formulas and dye the coolant a million different colors and guess what? We would not be able to get auto retailers to stock the 10 different part numbers. Only NAPA tries to do this and you will find a ton of part numbers there. (26). But, many of the claims on the bottles are pretty funny. Saw a bottle of a competitor at NAPA that was 25.99 a gallon, it said "compatible with all euro cars using green coolant". That is a very meaningless statement as the color green does not tell anyone about the chemistry inside. Saw another that said "red coolant for all japanese cars using red POAT coolant". Except the biggest user of red POAT has transitioned to a red OAT now and it is backwards compatible. A very confusing market and my half [censored] explanation of why we sell what we sell.
 
I just bought a gal. Of the new yellow bottle prestone and will be mixing it with distilled water and will drain and fill 1 gal. from the radiators on a 97 escort and an 04 civic.

One car has 3-4 yr old prestone, and the other has unknown all makes/models green.

Will this new prestone coolant be compatible with both vehicles and their current coolants?

Thanks in advance.
 
I emailed Prestone with the question I asked above regarding whether the topic Prestone AM/M still contains 2eha and here is answer. Since it wasn't answered here I'll post the exchange for those interested.

Me

To: Prestone Information
Subject: New Prestone AF

Sir/Madam

Does the new Prestone Long Life antifreeze with CorGuard contain 2-Ethylhexyl Acrylate (2-EHA) as one of it's ingredients?

Thanks


Answer received

Yes, it does. Please let me know if you require anything further.

Sincerely, Aaron Jones

Prestone Consumer Relations Representative



So while the formula may have changed, based on that information it continues to be universal dexclone OAT using 2eha as an inhibitor.

And just as Peak Global Lifetime mentioned in this thread is not an OEM or OE product neither is the topic'd Prestone product. And since the Peak 22 year old product accusation could not be verified, I'll have to assume it was posted in error.

As for the vague assertion posted that the largest user of red Asian P-HOAT switched to red OAT, not aware of any Asian manufacturer doing such. Afaik, the largest previous red colored P-HOAT user would be Toyota. They have switched from long life red to a pink Super Long Life premix AF, which is backward compatible. But it is still an Asian P-HOAT, which is sometimes referred as P-OAT. And out of gasket compatibility concerns, no Asian oem manufacturer currently recommends or uses any AF containing 2eha.

Chrysler did recently switch to an OAT coolant, but they were using a majority G-05 formula. However, the newer Chysler OAT coolant doesn't contain 2eha as the link below confirms.

http://articles.sae.org/11284/
 
Originally Posted By: Motorking
moron? Prestone has over 100 patents on coolants. Show me ONE engine "blown up by Prestone" please.


I used Prestone "Dexcool" inadvertently in my Nissan Maxima, I went through [censored] before trading it. Radiator clogged, water pump seals leaking coolant into the engine, excessive heat etc. etc. I had to keep an eye on my gauges before completely flushing it with Nissan OEM coolant. That solved the problem and incurred thousands in cost.

Now the fun part, my brother took is perfectly working 97 Civic to Sears auto with 165K on his original Honda coolant. Those guys dumped some Dexcool into the radiator (just drain and fill the radiator), then in a yr his vehicle was on fire on 101.

Now separate instances w/ Dexcools on two different imports -- I stand by what I said, this is all gimmicks. Now coolants aren't expensive but the heartburn they cause in not using OEM is tremendous.

If you say that this coolant will solve the world hunger, why is it in every non-american owners manual they insist on OEM coolant. Why why why... there is a reason. Go figure that out.
 
Mr. Sayjac,
First of all, I perform training for FRAM, Prestone and Autolite. I am in no way involved in sales. My job is education and nothing more.

Peak Global Lifetime is a 22 year old product? I highly doubt it. I also ask you to prove that claim with independent citings/links posted to this board so all who frequent it can confirm that claim. Also Peak/Old World makes more than one AF product, so being specific would be important imo.

The PEAK "Universal" coolant sold everywhere is a 22 yr old product. Ask them. What independent governing body would exist to verify?


PGL, a non 2eha formula OAT is a very well respected product on this board and has been and is being used successfully by many members here.

Thats great and I agree that everyone should use whatever they like.

I understand that you work for UCI-Fram and it's your job to promote their products and make them appear superior. But 'imo', your criticizing competitors in this forum and attempting to belittle their products is a poor tactic.

Not critisizing, just stating a fact- They have no automotive OE customers, none.

Prestone AM/M has been a 2eha based OAT AF. The only question I have is, is the newer Prestone still a 2eha based product? The fact that unlike Peak Global, it doesn't specifically say non 2eha leads me believe that it is.

There is not such thing as a 2EHA based product. That is a total and complete mis statement. Ethel Hexanate is an additive used in tiny trace amounts and is used by more AF companies than Prestone. I would love to have you visit the Prestone labs sometime and we could a good long discussion of why PEAK goes out of their way to make a big deal about it. It is not harmful to anything in a properly serviced and functioning cooling system. If it was, there wouldnt be any OE's allowing its use in factory fill.
I have no desire to talk about our competitors as anything said it likely to be dismissed. I strongly suggest if you want info about a competitors product, you ask them.
 
Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
Originally Posted By: Motorking
moron? Prestone has over 100 patents on coolants. Show me ONE engine "blown up by Prestone" please.


I used Prestone "Dexcool" inadvertently in my Nissan Maxima, I went through [censored] before trading it. Radiator clogged,
Not caused by the coolant

water pump seals leaking coolant into the engine
Sorry, not buying it, how did the water pump seal leaking cause coolant to get in the engine? Um, I am a ASE master tech, no physical way that could happen.

, excessive heat etc. etc. I had to keep an eye on my gauges before completely flushing it with Nissan OEM coolant. That solved the problem and incurred thousands in cost.

I would like to know how a perfectly functioning cooling system would suddenly be "on fire" from using any coolant? You are killing me

Now the fun part, my brother took is perfectly working 97 Civic to Sears auto with 165K on his original Honda coolant. Those guys dumped some Dexcool into the radiator (just drain and fill the radiator), then in a yr his vehicle was on fire on 101.
So it ran perfectly fine for a full year and then suddenly was on fire? And the coolant caused that? ok, whatever you say

Now separate instances w/ Dexcools on two different imports -- I stand by what I said, this is all gimmicks. Now coolants aren't expensive but the heartburn they cause in not using OEM is tremendous.

If you say that this coolant will solve the world hunger, why is it in every non-american owners manual they insist on OEM coolant. Why why why... there is a reason. Go figure that out.


Here, straight our of a Toyota service manual
Use Toyota Super Long Life Coolant or "Toyota Super Long Life Coolant"
ethylene glycol based non-silicate, non-amine, non-nitrite, and non-borate coolant with long-life hybrid organic acid technology.

Use whatever you like and have a great day
 
Uh guys, the ingredient in question is 2 ethyl Hexanoic acid. Acrylate and hexanate are altogether different chemicals, and some of us are confused enough already.

Originally Posted By: Motorking



The PEAK "Universal" coolant sold everywhere is a 22 yr old product. Ask them. What independent governing body would exist to verify?


I don't think anyone needs a governing body. A patent number would be enough.
 
Originally Posted By: Motorking
The PEAK "Universal" coolant sold everywhere is a 22 yr old product. Ask them......

You brought it up, made the claim, now prove it. And fyi, Peak makes more than one universal type AF product. There is Peak Long Life which like Prestone uses 2eha a primary inhibitor. Then there is Peak Global Lifetime which unlike Prestone is a non 2eha Long Life OAT. So they give the buyer a choice. And if one of them is as you say, what's your point? You know their chemistry hasn't changed in that time? Or it's not effective?

So which product do you claim is 22 years old or are you saying both or perhaps all the AF products Peak makes are that old? Oh, you must be talking about the Peak Original Green they make, that could be 22 years old. Yeah, that's the ticket. And never claimed Peak had a OEM presence as I couldn't care less about that. The bluster about an OEM presence doesn't apply to the topic'd Prestone either, so it's irrelevant.

Originally Posted By: Motorking
There is not such thing as a 2EHA based product. That is a total and complete mis statement. Ethel Hexanate is an additive used in tiny trace amounts and is used by more AF companies than Prestone.

Parse it however you choose as you couldn't or wouldn't answer the posts, but at least Prestone was able to. Tiny trace amounts. If there's nothing wrong with it why only tiny trace amounts? And sure other companies use it, its a main inhibitor most universal OAT dexclones like Prestone and also in Dexcool. I suggest you read the independent SAE paper linked above, if you want to know about 2eha and it's affects on gaskets. It wasn't written by Peak or any other AF manufacturer. And again, no Asian oem AF have any 2eha as an inhibitor in their chemistries. Even in tiny trace amounts.
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Originally Posted By: Motorking
It is not harmful to anything in a properly serviced and functioning cooling system. If it was, there wouldnt be any OE's allowing its use in factory fill.

So you're saying because it's used in GM 2eha Dex based systems for example, it acceptable for all systems no matter the manufacturer. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'll have to disagree. As does the linked article explaining why. http://www.motor.com/article.asp?article_ID=1655 Ford is also moving to a 2eha Dex formula, but as the article says they aren't back specing it for older 4.6L and 5.4L engines. Still G-05 for a reason. Chrysler, while moving to OAT has also taken a pass on any 2eha in it's new oem AF.


You also said referring to another AF,
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Saw another that said "red coolant for all japanese cars using red POAT coolant". Except the biggest user of red POAT has transitioned to a red OAT now and it is backwards compatible.

Could you be more specific about which "biggest user" you are referring to. I'd be interested to know which Asian manufacturer has transitioned to red OAT as claim. Again afaik, Toyota was the only one using a red PHOAT, and it moved to pink SLL but still a PHOAT.

Lastly whatever your title, when you attempt to belittle a competitor, you should expect to be called on it. If as you say, you have no desire to talk about competitors, then don't.
 
Another observation - I don't think Toyota, Honda or Subaru uses Fram Group for their service coolant fullfillment - I notice Peak, Honda, Toyota and Subaru have identical label/bottle formats and there's a 3-digit code on the bottom of the front panel and their lot numbers are similar. However, Honda and Subaru source service replacement oil filters from Fram
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However, I do notice SuperTech/O'Reilly/Prestone bottles are labeled and numbered identically too.
 
Why don't Prestone get their new coolant approved by all the manufacturers they say it is compatible with?

It could be the M1 0w40 of the coolant world!
 
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