Cost to service drum brakes?

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Really? Drum brakes are about as simple as it gets. I've been doing drum brakes for decades-I probably did my first set in my late teens (I'm now 70). Back in August I did the rear drums on a 1999 Dakota Dakota Brakes Post

They aren't rocket science; in fact, they are far easier than disc brakes (and yes, I've done those as well). The hardest part on the Dakota was the clips that hold the shoes on, only because I do not have the special tool, so I did it the old fashioned way and used pliers and a screw driver.

Everything for the rear axle cost less than $100 at Amazon-I replaced all the hardware, drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. In the many sets of drum brakes I've replaced, the only time it took me over an hour was when a drum had welded itself to the axle. I had to put on ear protection, use some penetrating oil, and spend about 15 minutes on each side with a sledge hammer before the drum broke free.

There is nothing complicated about it-if I can do it so can you.
 
I have no troubles re-using the drums or rotors if they aren't bad. I ensure that by replacing stuff before it gets metal to metal. To the OP,you should be able to get everything you need at any auto parts store. Checking on line, for stuff, I could have just gone down town to the Auto Zone and they had every bit of stuff in stock. This was for the Ranger,though I bought a set of rear pads for the 528e for 15$ and 2 20" bubble flare hard lines. I don't do drum brakes enough to remember,so I pull both drums. Then replace a side at a time. I have about 20$ worth Cal-Van brake tools from my Bug days.Chances are,if you can't get the lines loose with regular open ends, then you're bound for trouble. You can try pliers and/ or heat, but more then likely the brake line is toast. I replaced all but one of brake hoses on the 18 yr old Rat.All the hard lines, the front calipers and pads the rear wheel cylinders, the hard ware, and the shoes.250- 300 bucks all told for parts. More of the brake system than I've ever replaced at one time. Just recently, both E Brake cables added another 50$. Almost like a real mechanic only much slower.
 
wholesale parts for that car is
wheel cylinders around $10.00 each
Drums under $25.00 each
Brakes depending on quality $22.00 and up
not to expensive and super easy to do
 
Good info above. Take pictures and do one at a time.

Just had a neighbor over with his new winter beater - 1999 Ford Escort wagon- for new rear hardware, shoes and drums. Getting the drums off on a northeast car lets you get all that pent up frustration out. Neighbor thought I was mad at him for bringing it to me. It was kind of fun letting that sledge fly and watching him duck for cover.
 
Have you looked at the axle seals for leakage? That's another problem that can destroy a new brake job. An old car may have bad seals, something to consider before you start replacing all the parts inside the drum.

Drum brakes are not that hard to do, but you will need a good set of spring pliers to make your life easier.
 
Originally Posted By: Dufus2
Have you looked at the axle seals for leakage? That's another problem that can destroy a new brake job. An old car may have bad seals, something to consider before you start replacing all the parts inside the drum.

That's a good point to remember, and as others have indicated, corrosion can be an issue. The last time I played with drum brakes was on the taxis, and I was always spoiled doing that since they never had the opportunity to rust up in the least.
 
Originally Posted By: Dufus2
Have you looked at the axle seals for leakage?


FWD will just have a unit bearing with nothing behind it.
 
Drums, Shoes, Spring Kit, Wheel Cylinders, 1 Litre of Dot 3 Brake Fluid.

You might need:

New brake lines (for readers in the Rust Belt you need this almost certainly).

New Backing Plate (for readers in the Rust Belt you need this almost certainly).

For tools you need all the regular stuff but Side Cutters for yanking at the springs to get them on.

There are TONS of specialty tools, watch a few YouTube vids and make a list.

I suggest if you aren't already a drum guy, the learning curve is a bit steep, but you don't live in the Rust Belt so that really helps you out.

I suggest buying the above brake supplies off Amazon by getting the part numbers off of Rock Auto first, and buying with free shipping, and taking it to a good independent guy you trust.
 
Also take a look at the backing plates, I just did the rear drums on my Sienna and they were shot. Rusted through at the bottom and all around the rim as well, they were only $40 from Toyota so I replaced them along with new wheel cylinders.
 
Nothing very difficult about drum brakes. When i first started in the business drums front and rear were still common on many used cars.
The disc equipped cars were almost exclusively up front (Corvette and a few other sport cars were an exception) and used rear drums.

There are 2 common pitfalls i see on older vehicles with rear drums, rotten e brake cables and rounded off fittings or broken likes trying to remove the line from the wheel cylinder.

I usually rebuild the cylinders right on the car if the lines are looking really evil. Very easy and very cheap and just as good as result without messing around with 22 yr old lines. Rock has the kits for a buck and change per wheel.
This is not a hack repair, it is accepted industry standard, two things about this, make sure the bleeder is free and you will need a cheap brake hone like this one.
You may be able to rent this and a brake service set from AZ or AA for nothing.

http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-10000-Brake-Cylinder-Hone/dp/B0002SQUG8

If i were doing this job this is how i would do it..
* remove the drums and assess the condition of the following parts. Brake cable, lines and backing plate for rot.

To remove the drums you may need to back the self adjuster off. Remove the rubber access plug from the rear Use a longer thin screwdriver to push the adjuster lever off the star wheel and use another stubby screwdriver or a brake spoon to turn the star wheel.
Turning the wheel upward should be loosening but check by turning the drum slightly after a few cranks if its getting tighter go the other way.

If the backing plate is crispy you will need a new one, if the line rusted badly consider cylinder rebuild. brake cables should move freely, be rust free without any fraying.

* Measure the drum. This car used either 9x1.5" or 11x2" drums. You will need the correct size drums and shoes.

* At this point spray the line and bleeder with penetrating fluid and let it sit for an hour.
Put a tight fitting wrench or 6 point socket on the bleeder and tap the wrench or ratchet with a hammer in a counter clockwise direction, lots of light taps. If it breaks free just tighten it again until you do the job. If it wont budge try soaking it over night and repeat.
If it still wont budge replace the cylinder. This is best done by removing the mounting bolts and holding the line with a flair nut wrench while you turn the cylinder enough to crack the line loose. Do this when you do the job.

* Order the parts. Drums, shoes, adjusters with kit, mounting hardware, cylinders/kits,
Cables if needed (i usually do them unless the old ones are pristine), i don't want to go back in later to do them, stay clear of no name relines.

* With the car on stands remove the drums and start stripping one side only, take a picture. Remember the self adjuster may be be on the opposite side of the shoes on the other side.
Start by closing the star wheel completely and remove it and the spring above it, note the direction of the spring, it will have a long and short side.
Remove the long springs holding the shoes to the top pin then lastly the hold down springs and retainers (these are half turn).
Lay the parts out exactly as you took them apart, noting the thread of the star wheel (left or right hand thread).
The parking brake lever will be attached to the rear shoe either by a pin with horseshoe clip or a hook in, remove it from the shoe. Now replace the cable if need be.

* Clean the backing plate with brake cleaner.

* Rebuilt or replace the cylinder. Note the slotted slugs that go into the cylinder, some have a wider slot for the e brake lever as well as the shoe.

* Attach the brake cable to the lever if removed otherwise attach the lever to the shoe. Short shoe if there is one always goes to the front.

* Uses a little brake grease on the mounting points of the backing plate, make sure you have any hardware for the adjuster mounted, its usually just a slide for the cable mounted under the hold down spring.

* Attach the shoes to the plate with the hold down springs.

* I usually attach the long upper springs first but depending on access you may want to do the lower and star wheel first.

* Pay careful attention to the location of the adjuster mounting behind the upper spring and down at the star wheel. before installing the springs on the pin.

* Install the star wheel and spring, you can use a little never seize on the threads and cap if you want.

* The shoes will be moving all over the place as you attach the springs, once its all together center them and check the operation of the star wheel adjuster by pushing the cable to make sure it is moving the wheel.

* Do not check the e brake or try to bleed the brakes at this point do the other side, when complete.

* Adjust the star wheel until the drums go on snug not tight. Install a couple of lug nuts to temporarily secure the drums then click the star wheel with a spoon or screwdriver until there is an equal slight amount of drag on the drums. Reinstall the plugs.

* Check the e brake operation and adjust in necessary then bleed the brakes.

I didn't read the whole thread. I'm sure all these points were covered by someone.
This is just another long winded post. LOL

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Lots of good advice given. I've done my share of drum brakes and hated everyone. One thing not mentioned...asbestos. Those old shoes have a good chance of containing asbestos and there will be a lot of dust so protect yourself and wear a filter mask.
 
Kind of in the same boat, have serviced disk brakes on my Accord a number of times but have never touched the rear drums, and no experience. Bought some parts for the rear drums from rockauto due to wholesale prices already, springs, adjusters, etc. Probably need other parts like shoes, drums, cylinders, etc.

Can't you break the drum free by threading two bolts in evenly like you do with front rotors? Or do drum brakes have no such holes?
 
youtube, youtube and youtube *every* single drum job that you can watch before starting on it. EricTheCarGuy has couple of very explicit videos. Otherwise, find a mechanic who has lost all of his teeth and is already collecting his social security if you want somebody who knows how to service drum brakes :)

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They aren't rocket science; in fact, they are far easier than disc brakes (and yes, I've done those as well).
Can you explain why you believe they are easier than disc brakes? Just going by the part count and number of springs involved makes it obvious that disc brake mechanism is far simpler than drum brake.
 
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Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Really? Drum brakes are about as simple as it gets. I've been doing drum brakes for decades-I probably did my first set in my late teens (I'm now 70). Back in August I did the rear drums on a 1999 Dakota Dakota Brakes Post

They aren't rocket science; in fact, they are far easier than disc brakes (and yes, I've done those as well). The hardest part on the Dakota was the clips that hold the shoes on, only because I do not have the special tool, so I did it the old fashioned way and used pliers and a screw driver.

Everything for the rear axle cost less than $100 at Amazon-I replaced all the hardware, drums, shoes and wheel cylinders. In the many sets of drum brakes I've replaced, the only time it took me over an hour was when a drum had welded itself to the axle. I had to put on ear protection, use some penetrating oil, and spend about 15 minutes on each side with a sledge hammer before the drum broke free.

There is nothing complicated about it-if I can do it so can you.


Are you my father? He thinks drum brakes are far superior to discs!

I can change a set of pads in 10 minutes and all I need is a ratchet and a c-clamp.

Doing the drum brakes, I need to keep comparing sides, find a guide online (which did them backwards - thank you cherokeeforum ... not), then play around with rusty levers and springs and rods and doohickeys. Then while installing the springs on the anchor pins, they'll shoot off at me. Of course, the auto adjusters will be rusted up, so might as well buy that.

Then, when I get the new auto adjusters on, I'll work on setting it all back up. The retainer for the adjuster cable will keep falling off, or it will FLY off at my face when I'm trying to connect the adjuster cable.

Finally, when I get that done and I am trying to connect the top springs, the drum brake pliers will slip and cause the whole drum brake to explode in my face and I am back at square 0

And when this is all done, I'll still only have rear brakes that work going ahead or pointing downhill.
 
I wouldn't go so far to say that drum brakes are easier to service than discs, but they're not as bad as some of you making them out to be. I've done a few sets and they weren't too bad, even living here in the rust belt. Dealing with the rear calipers on my Accord was a bigger PITA than dealing with drums. The parking brake works way better too.
 
Originally Posted By: exranger06
I wouldn't go so far to say that drum brakes are easier to service than discs, but they're not as bad as some of you making them out to be. I've done a few sets and they weren't too bad, even living here in the rust belt. Dealing with the rear calipers on my Accord was a bigger PITA than dealing with drums. The parking brake works way better too.


Yes- you have a point there. Rear discs will require rotors every 2 or 3 years and you'll probably have to replace rear calipers at the 2x the rate of the fronts. So they are more expensive to operate.

Drums work marginally but consistently the first 100K miles. Then never again.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88

Drums work marginally but consistently the first 100K miles. Then never again.

Not sure what you mean by that. I have two vehicles with roughly 200k miles on them and their drum brakes can still easily lock up the tires.
 
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Originally Posted By: Miller88

Drums work marginally but consistently the first 100K miles. Then never again.

Not sure what you mean by that. I have two vehicles with roughly 200k miles on them and their drum brakes can still easily lock up the tires.


Even after having a shop work on my rear brakes in the past , they never worked right again. Any time I've had problems with rear discs, I throw a new caliper and pads and it works.

I don't expect to have any rear brakes on my Cherokee after I swap in the donor axle (which I just did brakes on). All new hardware, installed properly per the FSM and they still won't work.

Plus, every time I go off road the drum brakes stop working. Even with the plugs in the backing plate. Then I have to take everything apart and clean with brake cleaner. Then they'll work, somewhat, maybe, for 100 miles and stop again.

Kind of like a carburetor. Lots of complication, doesn't really work well ... but it served its purpose when there was nothing better.

Thanks to fuel injection, on a cold morning I don't have to play with chokes, crank the car for 30 minutes while pumping the gas pedal. It just ... starts on a cold morning and runs fine.
 
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