PP & PPU not good
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Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
So you can tell us the dates you mention when this started?
No sir. I don't work for SOPUS.
However, the low NOACK shows that oil base was changed to something other than traditional group III already in that old PQIA test.
So you can tell us the dates you mention when this started?
No sir. I don't work for SOPUS.
However, the low NOACK shows that oil base was changed to something other than traditional group III already in that old PQIA test.
The good news: My last 3 oil changes-PU, PP, PPPP, from oldest to most recent.
The bad news: I changed out the PP last week so it will be at least 6 months before we can compare the UOA's.
That said, SOPUS has never let me down, and I don't expect any variance in wear numbers/performance with the newer PPPP.
I know you want to protect your investment; rest assured, you have purchased an automobile with a long history of near bulletproof reliability from one of the premier engine builders in the world. Any name brand syn or dino oil in the approved grade will protect it equally well when faithfully maintained.
The bad news: I changed out the PP last week so it will be at least 6 months before we can compare the UOA's.
That said, SOPUS has never let me down, and I don't expect any variance in wear numbers/performance with the newer PPPP.
I know you want to protect your investment; rest assured, you have purchased an automobile with a long history of near bulletproof reliability from one of the premier engine builders in the world. Any name brand syn or dino oil in the approved grade will protect it equally well when faithfully maintained.
All the above oils are exceptional... Buy the one that is being discounted. That my friends is a N0-Brainer.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
So you can tell us the dates you mention when this started?
No sir. I don't work for SOPUS.
However, the low NOACK shows that oil base was changed to something other than traditional group III already in that old PQIA test.
Are you then implying QS UD had already been changed to GTL base as well prior to Jan. 2013 based on NOACK test results at PQIA? It has even lower NOACK volatility test results than either PP sample posted on PQIA.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/quakerstatesyn.htm
What base did the Pennzoil Ultra with the 6.6 NOACK test result at PQIA use then? I've seen multiple posts from BITOGers who are (were) PU fans bemoaning the increase in NOACK volatility with the switch to GTL base formulated PUPw/PPT?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/penzultra.htm
I don't work for SOPUS either BTW but I have a hard time following your analyses.
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
So you can tell us the dates you mention when this started?
No sir. I don't work for SOPUS.
However, the low NOACK shows that oil base was changed to something other than traditional group III already in that old PQIA test.
Are you then implying QS UD had already been changed to GTL base as well prior to Jan. 2013 based on NOACK test results at PQIA? It has even lower NOACK volatility test results than either PP sample posted on PQIA.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/quakerstatesyn.htm
What base did the Pennzoil Ultra with the 6.6 NOACK test result at PQIA use then? I've seen multiple posts from BITOGers who are (were) PU fans bemoaning the increase in NOACK volatility with the switch to GTL base formulated PUPw/PPT?
http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/penzultra.htm
I don't work for SOPUS either BTW but I have a hard time following your analyses.
Found the TDS's for reference.
Pennzoil Ultra Dated May 2012 All Grades
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology 5W-20 Dated May 16, 2014
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology 5W-30 Dated March 11, 2014
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology 10W-30 Dated March 11, 2014
All show increases with GTL base stocks with 10W-30 showing the least increase.
Pennzoil Ultra Dated May 2012 All Grades
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology 5W-20 Dated May 16, 2014
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology 5W-30 Dated March 11, 2014
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology 10W-30 Dated March 11, 2014
All show increases with GTL base stocks with 10W-30 showing the least increase.
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Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
Found the TDS's for reference.
Pennzoil Ultra Dated May 2012
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology Dated May 16, 2014
Still nothing wrong with a NOACK of 10.5.
The upper limit is 15.
The new Ultra is not necessarily worse, it's just different.
Found the TDS's for reference.
Pennzoil Ultra Dated May 2012
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology Dated May 16, 2014
Still nothing wrong with a NOACK of 10.5.
The upper limit is 15.
The new Ultra is not necessarily worse, it's just different.
Im just glad the PUP is finally available in the local Walmarts.
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
Found the TDS's for reference.
Pennzoil Ultra Dated May 2012
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology Dated May 16, 2014
Still nothing wrong with a NOACK of 10.5.
The upper limit is 15.
The new Ultra is not necessarily worse, it's just different.
Agreed.
I'm challenging the assertion by Quattro Pete that lower (than what value hasn't yet been posted) NOACK must = GTL base stock was used.
The National (Pinnacle) 5W-20 conventional I drained out of my truck today shows 14.9% NOACK losses at PQIA. I saw no evidence of oil loss during the run or at drain time. Someone (API) set 15% max for a good reason.
I'm pretty sure I saw some individual quarts of the older Pennzoil Ultra on the shelves at Walmart in my area, but that's not what I bought & put in my truck this afternoon. I put PPw/PPT in that I got the $10 rebate for in 5 qt. jugs.
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
Found the TDS's for reference.
Pennzoil Ultra Dated May 2012
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus Technology Dated May 16, 2014
Still nothing wrong with a NOACK of 10.5.
The upper limit is 15.
The new Ultra is not necessarily worse, it's just different.
Agreed.
I'm challenging the assertion by Quattro Pete that lower (than what value hasn't yet been posted) NOACK must = GTL base stock was used.
The National (Pinnacle) 5W-20 conventional I drained out of my truck today shows 14.9% NOACK losses at PQIA. I saw no evidence of oil loss during the run or at drain time. Someone (API) set 15% max for a good reason.
I'm pretty sure I saw some individual quarts of the older Pennzoil Ultra on the shelves at Walmart in my area, but that's not what I bought & put in my truck this afternoon. I put PPw/PPT in that I got the $10 rebate for in 5 qt. jugs.
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