Ebola Information

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Originally Posted By: Shannow
http://zeitgeist77.wordpress.com/2014/08...n-sierra-leone/


From your link Shannow:


"The primary Ebola strain being spread right now (as their are 2) was bioengineered by the US Department of Defense (via USAMRIID) & Tulane University with the knowledge/help from pharma/biotech giants such as Monsanto, Alnylam, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Merck, Pfizer and a much smaller pharma company based out of Canada called Tekmira. A known Ebola strain from Central-Africa was used as the base, and was bioengeneered to become a new hybrid respiratory illness (a combination of Ebola Virus & Lassa Hemorrhagic Fever, weaponized via Tulane University & USAMRIID at Fort Detrick) making it become a genetic variant of the original strain. This bioengineered hybrid allowed for airborne human-to-human transmission, an extended incubation period (to increase spread/threat), and a slightly toned down virility (to have the ideal initial wanted mortality rate (~40%)).

Ebola (EBOV) – Human-to-human transmission occurs via direct contact with blood or bodily fluids from an infected person (including embalming of an infected dead person) or by contact with contaminated medical equipment, particularly needles and syringes.
[link to www.msdsonline.com]
Lassa (LASV) – Inhalation of tiny particles of infective material (aerosol) is believed to be the most significant means of exposure.
[link to www.cdc.gov]
Ebola/Lassa (EBOV/LASV) – Human-to-human transmission occurs via direct contact with blood or bodily fluids AND/ORInhalation of tiny particles of infective material (aerosol) from an infected person (including embalming of an infected dead person) or by contact with contaminated medical equipment, particularly needles and syringes."


So therefore we're dealing with a laboratory modified, highly weaponized, hybrid Ebola virus designed to kill very large sums of people.

"Criminal Charges Concerning Bioterrorism Acts and Mass Murder
I am presenting evidence of acts of bioterrorism that are in violation of criminal law of the United States by a group operating within the United States under foreign direction, specifically under the direction of international bankers who control, among other financial institutions, the Federal Reserve, as well as international government organisations, specifically the World Health Organisation, the United Nations and NATO.

Evidence is presented that the complex of pharmaceutical companies of Baxter, Novartis and Sanofi Aventis are part of aforeign-based duel purpose bioweapons programme financed by the international criminal syndicate and designed to implement mass murder to reduce the world’s population by as much as 5.5 billion, in the next ten years, to spread terror, to justify forcing people to give up their rights and mass quarantine in FEMA camps."


So therefore the banking cartels want to reduce the world's population by 5.5 billion and then get rich off an Ebola vaccine.
 
Those were some drastic cuts. So bad they couldn't even hire a director that appeared to have common sense. Or release a sensible report or sensible recommendations. The latest is you can spread ebola on a bus if you have it but you can't catch it on a bus.

How much more do we have to spend to not get this: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-nurse-called-cdc-several-times/

$100 billion? Trillion?
 
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Direct link the CIDRAP article at the Univ of Minnesota:

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspecti...rotection-ebola

3rd paragraph is of concern:

“We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.”

This seems huge. Ever been in a crowded room full of people and there's that "stuffy" feeling to the air? Isn't that from normal exhaling raising the humidity level (i.e. droplets)? Add one or more infected people in there and wouldn't it then be a high risk environment?
 
Good link LoneRanger.

Ok, let's keep this from spiraling to conspiracies (no matter if they have evidence or not) for a couple of reasons:
1) It doesn't help the current situation and purpose of this thread which is to inform about the virus/transmission etc.
2) It can itself veer into other topics that will derail the thread in short order.

For now let's keep it to studies/data/sites that can help with understanding, trying to limit opinions to those that work with disease and biology.

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Clarification: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_disease

Ebola in its current state isn't airborne in the sense that it is floating around somewhat weightless like a microbe ready to be inhaled and spread infection. Altho according to the linked LoneRanger article it can take up to an hour to settle after being atomized/aerosol. Otherwise a lot more people in that wing of the hospital room/wing or other space shared by Patient Zero would have it. There would be many people who had contact with Nurse#1 that would have it. Also there would be a lot more people on each of the flights Nurse#2 would have it. Basically anyone who shared a breathing space with anyone that is infected would be at serious risk. Transmission animal-animal is very different than human-human, so while it is notable, we shouldn't automatically assume. Time will tell however as info regarding the those that are infected is still well within the 'incubation period'.

To date, it looks like so far Ebola aerosol-airborne is limited in its ability to travel in the air within the range of water droplets which do indeed settle and fall on a surface after a space of time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol The range in an open but confined space is what is of concern as in a 7x7 room Ebola has a more effective range than a 50x80 theater or larger venue.

While diseases can mutate when processed via different people or animals, this current strain that we are seeing so far is aerosol-airborne. The beginnings of this current strains outbreak animal-human is what determines the strain characteristics for when it goes from human-human and doesn't look like it has changed in African, Spain or USA cases. There is another smaller outbreak of a different strain of Ebola currently on but the numbers are so far under 100 from what I have read. Since we can only go by history records on full airborne diseases we have to separate folk-lore with fact.

Any health workers dealing with Ebola like symptoms should be outfitted in a pressure/CDC space suit, you can't be too cautious.
 
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LOL,
straight from CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/training/quicklearns/biosafety/

Quote:
BSL-4 builds upon the containment requirements of BSL-3 and is the highest level of biological safety. There are a small number of BSL-4 labs in the United States and around the world. The microbes in a BSL-4 lab are dangerous and exotic, posing a high risk of aerosol-transmitted infections. Infections caused by these microbes are frequently fatal and without treatment or vaccines. Two examples of microbes worked with in a BSL-4 laboratory include Ebola and Marburg viruses.


This the CDC's example how workers should be protected in BSL-4 lab:

bsl-4-lab.jpg



Hmm. Last time I checked, Presby Hosp in Dallas had no BSL-4 facilities. So, what exactly CDC is saying again?
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Hey Shannow, I did some checking around and apparently your link originated HERE


Which means it's grade a 100% bull manure. There is not on shred of tangible, credible evidence for the claims presented, and given the origins of that conspiracy filled garbage, it's garbage.

There are facts in there, like how the CDC has the patent on a certain strain of Ebola. There's a long history of bio weapons programs by many countries (non using Ebola...), but there isn't one credible indication this current outbreak is biowarfare.

Lets stick to verifiable facts for this thread, not rampant conspiratorial speculation.
 
This was info I brought up a page ago friendly_jacek and it is a good point.

Even a BSL-3 facility would be more of a fighting chance compared to a regular hospital...how many of those are around?

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If you work in a lab that is designated BSL-3, the microbes there can be either indigenous or exotic, and they can cause serious or potentially lethal disease through respiratory transmission. Respiratory transmission is the inhalation route of exposure. One example of a microbe that is typically worked with in a BSL-3 laboratory is Mycobacterium tuberculosis, the bacteria that causes tuberculosis.

BSL-3 laboratories have the following containment requirements:

Laboratory practices
Laboratorians are under medical surveillance and might receive immunizations for microbes they work with.
Access to the laboratory is restricted and controlled at all times.

Safety equipment
Appropriate PPE must be worn, and respirators might be requiredA.
All work with microbes must be performed within an appropriate BSCB.

Facility construction
A hands-free sink and eyewash are available near the exit.
Exhaust air cannot be recirculated, and the laboratory must have sustained directional airflow by drawing air into the laboratory from clean areas towards potentially contaminated areas.
Entrance to the lab is through two sets of self-closing and locking doors

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My early estimate would be some medical universities would have these. The other question one would have to ask is can they handle a potential load of several patients each? Another item is that a BSL-3 is appropriate to dealing with Tuberculosis. The very mention of that word TB freaks people out, but we know all about TB and are vigilant about keeping it at bay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis ... Ebola is markedly more potentially dangerous, yet....
 
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This is all well and good but the question is..
Why is it even here in the first place? We shouldn't have to deal with it! If some PC lunatics would have placed an air/sea/passport blockade on these third world holes it wouldn't be here.

That hot zone countries should have been quarantined off, no one in no one out until it burned itself out.
The PC gang claims more would die, bottom line better them than us. Seriously if they want to drop food and supplies off just chute it in from C130's.
Leading from behind as usual.
 
We couldn't agree with you more. (except the..."better them, than us" phrasing could be a little more compassionate) but closing the stable door after the horse has bolted by quarantining will still be greatly helpful but won't stop what is already here.

The facts are we have to deal with it and the more people that are aware of Ebola and how we understand it is transmitted, the more people can avoid contracting and/or passing it on. That is the reality we have before us, arrogance and ignorance brought us to this point, lets do what we can in our own spheres of influence to make a difference.
 
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Originally Posted By: Smokescreen


The facts are we have to deal with it and the more people that are aware of Ebola and how we understand it is transmitted, the more people can avoid contracting and/or passing it on. That is the reality we have before us, arrogance and ignorance brought us to this point, lets do what we can in our own spheres of influence to make a difference.


A little hygiene never hurt. Also for stuff like the flu. Gas pump handles, keyboards, telephones, all harbor surface germs. We take cleanliness for granted and think it's unimportant work for low skilled, low paid people. It's apparently beneath my coworkers to clean their own lunch dishes, for example, leaving them in the sink.
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They say the ebola infection factor is 2... 2 new cases for every case. Statistically, bringing that closer to (and maybe not even all the way down to) 1 will peter it out.

Also staying home half the time and interacting with half the people would do wonders... not for the economy, but for transmission.
 
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
except the..."better them, than us" phrasing could be a little more compassionate)

This is no time for compassionate niceties thats how it is, thats the truth in the raw.
Look, they brought disease ridden kids into this country claiming we have to have compassion for them.
They bought the deadly EV68 lung virus and polio in with them, our kids are getting sick or dying.

I cant believe any parent would say its too bad their kid died but it was for a good cause.
The answer to this is simple starting right now, air/sea/passport blockade and anyone who had contact with the people who have ebola are to be put in individual isolation for 30 days.

Building a East German type border to Mexico would be a good first step. It works and there are still some of the original builders to show how its done right.
IMHO compassion begins right he in my house first.
 
Reading the news, it seems the hospital in Texas has a lot to answer for.

The hospital chief has admitted they mistreated Duncan who died. Nurses are saying there was zero preparation and that they wouldn't use the hospital if they tested positive.
 
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